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3xg grandad brick wall!
Hi I'm looking for some help in finding out the place of birth and parents of Jacob prime 1884-1899.
He gets married in 1970 to Elizabeth Bailey He is on the 1871 census as chas j prime with his wife Elizabeth prime 1881 miss index as Jacob Prince with his wife Elizabeth plus children 1891 census as Jacob prime with wife Elizabeth plus children. All give his birth place as USA/America father's name John. The areas he lived in were bethnal green. He dies on 1899 I'm looking for any information before 1970 can anyone help me! Kind regards Han |
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Hello and welcome to the forum, Han.
First, just to confirm what you have said and add some details: 1871 census 8 Old Castle St, Bethnal Green Chas J Prime Head Mar 23 Porter US America Elizth Do Wife " 22 London 1881 census 2 Alexandra Terrace, Tottenham Jacob Prime Head Mar 30 Fishmonger America Elizabeth Do Wife " 28 Middx Shoreditch Children: Henry 10, Ada 8, Elizabeth 5, Florence 3, all born Shoreditch; Jacob 1 born Tottenham. 1891 census 6 Queen's Buildings, Bethnal Green Jacob Prime Head Married 43 Poulterer America Elizabeth Do Wife Do 40 London Bethnal Green Children Henry 20, Ada 17, Elizabeth 16, Florence 15, Lewis 9, Louie 6, Albert 4, May 1, Jacob 11, all born Bethnal Green. Mother's maiden name on May's birth reg is Bailey. Marriage Oct-Dec 1870 Jacob Prime / Elizabeth Bailey, Bethnal Green. Death Jan-Mar 1899 Jacob Prime, age 50, Hackney. |
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There is a 2 year old Charles, son of Jacob on the 1850 Census:
First name(s) Charles Last name Prime Gender: Male Age 2 Birth year 1848 Birth place Pennsylvania Race Black Dwelling 52 City/township South Easton County Northampton State Pennsylvania NARA series 444770 Record set Us Census 1850 Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Americas, United States
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This is the Jacob Prime / Elizabeth Bailey marriage certificate and his father's name is John on there:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults 20 Nov 1870 St Matthew, Bethnal Green Jacob Prime, full age, bachelor, waiter, 48 Old Castle St, father John Prime, waiter Elizabeth Bailey, full age, spinster, same address, father John Bailey, carman. Witnesses Thomas Hayes and E Miller. |
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There is a public tree on ancestry which suggests this 1850 US census entry but says they haven't yet proved this is his family:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...11875315/facts And the 1860 entry for that John and Jacob: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...11875315/facts 1850 census Harrison Township, Howard County, Indiana John Prime 64 farmer, born Massachusetts Rebecca " 48 born South Carolina Children: Nathaniel 21, William 19, John T 16, Mariah 12, Mary 9, Margaret 7, Jacob 4, all born Indiana. 1860 census Lafayette, Story County, Iowa John Prime 75, farmer, born Mass Jacob M 11 born Indiana. But John's occupation doesn't match with the father's occupation on your Jacob's marriage cert. |
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And it looks as though that tree does have the wrong Jacob, since this looks like the one from those censuses in 1880:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...17343884/facts Edison, Furnas County, Nebraska Prime Jacob M, 31, farmer, born Indiana, parents born Massachusetts and North Carolina Harriet E 22 wife, keeping house, born Iowa Irwa L 1 daughter, born Nebraska. So, back to the drawing board... |
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Here is an old thread from the WDYTYA magazine forum but it doesn't have any more info than we have here:
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazi...topic9935.html I see you have already found it, Han. |
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Oh, except that thread mentioned this criminal register entry from 1870, and Jacob Prime is listed with a Frederick Prime on there:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...cklabel=Return Middlesex Sessions 23 May 1870 and they were both acquitted of larceny and receiving. Of course we don't know whether this is the right Jacob Prime. |
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This may or may not be the same Frederick Prime, on the 1871 census:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...cklabel=Return The Hale, Tottenham Frederick Benjn Prime Head Mar 34 Tea Dealer Middx Tottenham Ct Rd Elizabeth Charlotte Prime Wife 25 Do St Anne Soho Arthur John Prime Son 3 Herts Ware Charles Prime " 2 Do " Henry Prime " 7 mo Middx Tottenham Emily Venables Servant Unm 17 Domestic Servant Herts Cheshunt. |
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Frederick Benjamin Prime has a brother Edwin with him on the 1861 census, born 1840 at Stratford, Essex. The GRO birth index gives MMN as Cass.
On the 1851 census their parents are Benjamin and Anna but there is no Jacob or Charles in the household: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource This criminal register thing could all be a red herring of course. |
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