My new Mander family - Genealogists' Forum

Terri · #1 14-05-17, 17:01

Did someone mention being bored??

Now we have Great Aunt Maud’s French history, my new-found French cousins are desperate to find out about their grandfather, Mark Mander. Information is sketchy to say the least. The Mander family were English and it is assumed that they married in England. The wife’s name was Adelaide, husband’s name unknown. They had two known sons, Mark and Henry. Mark would have been born about 1900.
Family legend: Adelaide ran away to marry, being pregnant at the age of 16. I couldn’t find any evidence of this.

This is the only family I could find with even a faint (and it is faint!) hope of fitting!

Frederick Harry Mander, born 1874, Newcastle, son of a solicitors clerk
Adelaide Sarah Lamb, born 1866, Leyton, Essex, daughter of a printer

They married 30/12/1896 in Leyton, Essex. Adelaide was 30, not 16!

They had 3 sons:
Lionel Charles Mander born 1898 West Ham
Joseph Philip Mander born 1900 West Ham
Harold Mander born 1901 West Ham

I know, no Mark! I can find no trace of a Mark Mander – anywhere. Harold could easily be Henry, and perhaps, Mark was a nickname of same kind for either of other two boys

Frederick Harry Mander is an imported meats clerk in 1901: RG13; Piece: 3439; Folio: 66; Page: 16.
In the early 1920s, the family own a Charcuterie In Paris. A bit of a jump from an imported meats clerk, but I guess he had contacts???

In 1911 I can’t find the family at all, other than Joseph, who is with his Lamb grandparents.

They were in France during WWI, when they invested in Harry’s Bar in Paris.
Mr Mander was also involved in the Travellers Club in Paris. (Wasn’t that a brothel?)

Frederick H Mander dies in Christchurch, Hants in 1957
Adelaide S Mander dies in Bournemouth in 1950
Lionel C Mander dies in Christchurch, Hants in 1956
Joseph Philip Mander dies in Bournemouth in 1973. Married Gertrude P Harrison in Bournemouth 1925. (Did Joseph remain in England)
Harold Mander (probably) dies in Honiton, Devon in 1970

The Manders lost a lot of money after the first world war, so I guess it isn’t remotely unlikely that they might have returned to England at some point. My great aunt and her daughter found life very tricky during the German occupation in WW2, so it would have been much harder for a "known" family with business connections.

So, either I need to find further proof or discount this family altogether. I did try to fathom out a couple of online French records but gave up - I had no idea what I was looking at!

All ideas greatly appreciated. Thank you

ElizabethHerts · #2 14-05-17, 17:10

Terri, can you clarify what facts you know about Mark Mander.

Terri · #3 14-05-17, 17:24

That he was English, mother was called Adelaide, and he had a brother called Henry. He was born around 1900, a snob, good looking, of wealthy parents and got the 38 year old housemaid pregnant in Paris when he was 20! That is it! Not a lot to go on ...........!

ElizabethHerts · #4 14-05-17, 18:03

Have you seen this probate entry for an Adelaide Mander in 1910:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true

ElizabethHerts · #5 14-05-17, 18:05

The same couple seem to be this one in 1891, with a Derbyshire connection:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=2

Terri · #6 14-05-17, 18:07

Yes I did. If it's the ones I'm thinking of, they had a couple of daughters. My Manders had no daughters.

ElizabethHerts · #7 14-05-17, 18:07

Frederic Mander married Adelaide Birch in 1885 in the Nottingham district.

ElizabethHerts · #8 14-05-17, 18:10

Mander births 1900 +/- 2 years for boys:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MANDER, AARON WILLIAM GRANT Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 555
MANDER, ALBERT STEADMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 245
MANDER, ALBERT EDWARD POPKINS Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 491
MANDER, ALBERT EDWARD DYAS Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in ST MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 555
MANDER, ALBERT ERNEST WALTER AYRESS Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in SHIPSTON ON STOUR Volume 06D Page 737
MANDER, ALBERT HENRY HOPKINSON Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in ASHBY-DELA-ZOUCH Volume 07A Page 111
MANDER, ALBERT JOHN MORTON Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 553
MANDER, ALFRED CHARLES TINDALL Order
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 56
MANDER, ALFRED HENRY COOK Order
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 511
MANDER, ALGERNON MANDER Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 395
MANDER, ARTHUR WILLIAM MATTHEWS Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 1023
MANDER, BENJAMIN WILLIAM FORSTER Order
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 389
MANDER, BERNARD - Order
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in ALCESTER Volume 06D Page 734 Occasional Copy: A
MANDER, BERTIE WALTERS Order
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 714
MANDER, CHARLES BARLOW Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 218
MANDER, CHARLES PRINCE Order
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in LEEK Volume 06B Page 319
MANDER, CHARLES DAVID PRICE Order
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 163
MANDER, CHARLES SEPTIMUS GUNN Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in AMERSHAM Volume 03A Page 777
MANDER, CHUSHAN R PRICE Order
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 219
MANDER, CLEMENT ROSS TURNER Order
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in KING'S NORTON Volume 06C Page 436
MANDER, CLIFFORD LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in BROMSGROVE Volume 06C Page 387
MANDER, CYRIL RICHARDSON Order
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 950
MANDER, DAVID EDWARD NASH Order
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in SHIPSTON ON STOUR Volume 06D Page 741
MANDER, DOUGLAS FREDERICK MURPHY Order
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 720
MANDER, EDGAR JEAVONS Order
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 140
MANDER, EDMUND JAMES MATTHEWS Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 994
MANDER, EDWARD HAWKES Order
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 229
MANDER, EDWARD WALTERS Order
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 704
MANDER, EDWARD WILLIAM LAWLOR Order
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 130
MANDER, ERNEST ALBERT STANLEY MITCHELL Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 510
MANDER, FRANCIS WHETTON Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 407
MANDER, FRANK HENRY PARKER Order
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 649
MANDER, FREDERIC CHARLES RIDGE GILLARD Order
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in ROCHFORD Volume 04A Page 642
MANDER, FREDERICK CHARLES MORTON Order
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 588
MANDER, FREDERICK CHARLES RIGG Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 736
MANDER, FREDERICK CHARLES PARKER Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 623
MANDER, FREDERICK ERNEST HANSON Order
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 434
MANDER, GEORGE BROOKES Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 133
MANDER, GEORGE EDWARD GLEN Order
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 690
MANDER, GEORGE ERNEST LAYCOCK Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in BRADFORD Volume 09B Page 111
MANDER, GEORGE HERBERT HANSON Order
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in KING'S NORTON Volume 06C Page 443
MANDER, GEORGE JOSEPH DALTREY Order
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 141
MANDER, GEORGE WILLIAM DAVIS Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 115
MANDER, GEORGE WILLIAM AYRISS Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in SHIPSTON ON STOUR Volume 06D Page 732
MANDER, GEORGE WILLIAM WEBB Order
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 344
MANDER, GEORGE WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON Order
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 866
MANDER, HAROLD - Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 311
MANDER, HAROLD LAMB Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 388
MANDER, HENRY GEORGE LARKIN Order
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 33
MANDER, HERBERT CLARKE Order
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in COVENTRY Volume 06D Page 568
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MANDER, HORACE CHARLES COLDICOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 299
MANDER, HORACE HENRY LAMPREY Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 655
MANDER, HORACE WILLIAM HISCOCK Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 376
MANDER, JAMES MATTHEWS Order
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 46
MANDER, JOHN ELLIS HARRISON Order
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 149
MANDER, JOHN GEORGE SAWFORD Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 557
MANDER, JOSEPH HARRISON Order
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 92
MANDER, JOSEPH SPENCER Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 992
MANDER, JOSEPH COLLIER Order
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 10
MANDER, JOSEPH ARTHUR HOPKINSON Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH Volume 07A Page 117
MANDER, JOSEPH CHARLES DALTREY Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 163
MANDER, JOSEPH HARRY SHAW Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 554
MANDER, LIONEL CHARLES LAMB Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 339
MANDER, MONTAGUE JEDDAH CLARK Order
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 510
MANDER, PERCY JOHN - Order
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 548
MANDER, REGINALD BEARLEY Order
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 692
MANDER, REGINALD COOPER Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 205
MANDER, REGINALD JAMES JOSIAH ROBERTS Order
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 685
MANDER, ROBERT CECIL HENSTRIDGE Order
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 471
MANDER, SIDNEY - Order
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 894
MANDER, STEWART THOMAS ELLINGHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 369
MANDER, THOMAS LAWLOR Order
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 128
MANDER, THOMAS JAMES WEBB Order
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 220
MANDER, THOMAS ROBERT CARSON Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 247
MANDER, THOMAS WILLIAM RICHARDSON Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 877
MANDER, WILFRED NEWMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 305
MANDER, WILLIAM ARTHUR JOHN PACKER Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 355
MANDER, WILLIAM EDWARD COOKE Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in KING'S NORTON Volume 06C Page 476
MANDER, WILLIAM FRANK GUNN Order
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in AMERSHAM Volume 03A Page 743
MANDER, WILLIAM HENRY COOPER Order
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 213

Terri · #9 14-05-17, 18:57

Harold's there. There is no Mark - no marriage or death. I don't believe that was his given name.

ElizabethHerts · #10 14-05-17, 19:00

It is possible they weren't even born in the UK. Perhaps the family were already abroad?