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09-08-14, 23:32
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Bowen family of Newchurch, Carmarthen
I had almost given up on finding anything about the baptism of my ancestor Mary Bowen, as I thought she was Non Com.
She was born at Newchurch, Carmarthenshire around 1805. (Census records) On a recent visit to the RO at Carmarthen, Terry found recorded at Newchurch (Llannewydd) - Mary Bowen, d of Richard Bowen, Vollowen-land, by Jane his wife, was baptised March 1 1807. Mary, who married John Davies, named their 3rd child Richard and when he died, another child was given this name, one of their older daughters was also named Jane. While I know that is not positive proof of parentage, Newchurch, was and is, a very small rural area that has probably never had a population more than a thousand people. Terry told me that Richard is not a common Welsh name. I see that the Welsh equivalent is Rhisiart, but that is not a common name either. What I found of interest is the spelling of where they lived - Vollowen-land, as recorded by the minister. Terry said that the minister was obviously not Welsh and spelt it as he heard it, because there is no V in the Welsh language. It should have been spelt F and that it would have been - lan not land. If that is the case, can anyone locate Followen-lan in Newchurch, (Llannewydd) Carmarthenshire, or suggest where I might find a map of the area for the early 1800s? I see that there were banns called for a marriage of a Richard Bowen to Jane Williams on 23/5/1794 at Llanllwehaearn, Montgomeryshire, but have no way of connecting my Richard and Jane. There are also about 8 children who name their father as Richard Bowen, when they marry at Llangynwyd, Glamorgan from 1846 to 1869. Any thoughts on how to proceed much appreciated. Julie 
Last edited by tenterfieldjulie; 09-08-14 at 23:36. 
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10-08-14, 06:56
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There is an 1831 Ordnance Survey map of the area here.
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/ma...dition/sheet41 I've had a quick look, but I think it might need more than that! 
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10-08-14, 09:08
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Could it be Foelcwan?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...05d3e99bbdc7be From Genuki: Places, villages, farms etc within Newchurch as shown on the online parish map from the CD of Historic Parishes of England and Wales: an Electronic Map of Boundaries before 1850 with a Gazetteer and Metadata [computer file]. (Kain, R.J.P., Oliver, R.R.). (Extracted by Gareth Hicks) Newchurch (43); Allt-y-ffarm; Blaen-eigiau; Bronwydd Arms Sta.; Bryn; Bwlch; Bwlch-newydd; Clyn-gwyn; Crug; Cwm-dwyfran; Cwm-gloewddu; Esgair-fechan; Esgair-hir-isaf; Foel; Foel Cwan; Forge Fm.; Garn fawr; Goetre; Golf Course; Knights Ford; Llech-Eigion; Mill(2); Nant Cynnen; Nant Hir; Newchurch; Pistyll-gwyn; Plas-bach; Res.; Rhyd-y-marchog; Sch.; Traws-mawr; Tre-newydd; Waun-llanau There was also a Baptist Chapel at Foelcwan according to Genuki: Nonconformist Chapels: Noddfa Baptist chapel, Henfwlch Rd / Foelcwan SN38072272 Formed 1880 Still open 1998
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10-08-14, 09:54
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Julie, you do know that the Welsh parish registers are on Findmypast, don't you? So you can view the image of Mary's baptism entry on there; you don't need someone to go to the RO to look at the Welsh PR's.
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10-08-14, 10:07
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These are other children of Richard and Jane Bowen baptised at Newchurch:
Elizabeth Feb? 1809 Anne 5 May 1811 - cooper Margaret 2 Oct 1814 - innkeeper, abode Bwlch Esther 20 May 1824 - farmer, abode Plough & Harrow
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10-08-14, 11:09
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Thanks ladies that is all very interesting and helpful.
Richard certainly had a variety of occupations and places of adode. Thanks Kate, I didn't know that the Welsh PRs were on FMP. When I am home and settled I will definitely be taking out a sub. If I am lucky I might even find a marriage or deaths and even more helpful a will. There doesn't appear to be any son and heir. I wonder if the parents would be on a Census. If Mary was the oldest born 1806 - parents born 1780s .. possibly still alive 1841?
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10-08-14, 11:13
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The pre-1858 Welsh wills are free on the National Library of Wales site, Julie:
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/ch...=profeb&lng=en I had a look but I couldn't find Richard or Jane on there.
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10-08-14, 11:21
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And here are Richard and Jane on the 1841 Welsh census:
1841 census on ancestry Plough & Harrow, Newchurch, Carmarthenshire Richard Bowen 60 Publican Y Jane Do 55 N Esther Do 15 Y David Thomas 12 Ag Lab Y
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10-08-14, 11:25
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And in 1851:
1851 census ancestry Plough and Harrow, Newchurch, Carmarthenshire Richard Bowen Head Mar 66 Innkeeper Carmarthen Jane Bowen Wife Mar 67 Cardigan Blaenporth Jane Rice Granddaur 8 Monmouth Tredegar
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10-08-14, 11:26
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1841 Newchurch
Richard Bowen, 60, publican, born in county Jane Bowen, 55, not born in county Esther Bowen, 15, born in county David Thomas, 12, ditto 1851 Newchurch Plough and Harrow Richard Bowen, innkeeper, 66, b Carmarthenshire Jane Bowen, wife, 67, b Cardigan, Blanchworth Jane Rice, granddaughter, 8, b Monmouth, Tredegar EDIT: Snap, Kate! Last edited by Shona; 10-08-14 at 11:29.
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