Blasted Bodycotes yet again!

[Anstey Nomad]

For years, I have been trying to figure out the relationships between the various members of Joseph Bodycote’s household in Denman Street Leicester in 1851:

Joseph Bodycote aged 54, stocking knitter, born Leicester St Leonard, is the head of the household. He is my mysterious 4 x great grandfather. No birth, no death and precious little in between!

Amelia Chapman aged 24, also a stocking knitter, born Mansfield Notts, is his daughter, and William Chapman aged 26, stocking knitter, born Leicester St Margaret is his son in law. They were married in Leicester in the June Quarter of 1847.

The other members of the household are:

Charlotte Noon aged 40, also born Leicester St Margarets and described as a niece
Joseph Noon aged 21, born Newtown Linford, described as a nephew
John Sibson aged 46 and Richard Sibson aged 22, both born Leicester St Margarets, and Lucy Sibson aged 16, born Mansfield Notts all described as visitors

I had a thread running on another forum and, basically, in three years we have totally failed to answer the original question, but we do now have this marriage entry:

St: Margaret’s Parish Church.
Entry No.115, MAY 19, 1851, after Banns
Joseph Noon Bodycote, 22, Bachelor. Fwk, Of Denman St,
Son. of JOSEPH BODYCOTE, FWK

Harriet Carter, 20, Spinster Of Russell St,
Daughter. Of William Carter, Fwk
Wits: Joseph Bodycote, Elizabeth Carter.

It would appear that Joseph Noon, nephew, may actually be Joseph Noon Bodycote, son. That raises all sorts of questions.

The Leicester Chronicle: or, Commercial and Agricultural Advertiser (Leicester, England), Saturday, May 09, 1829

Joseph Bodycote was brought up for leaving his wife and family chargeable to St Leonard's parish. It appeared that the defendant had offended four different times in this respect, and had cost the parish about twenty pounds. He brought his wife from the East Indies, and has since been cohabitating with another woman, who had one child, and is again pregnant by him. The prisoner was sentenced to hard labour for three months.

Could Joseph Noon be the child in utero at the time Joseph was sentenced?

Presumably, on that basis, the older child of the outside relationship was Amelia, born in 1827 in Mansfield. However, Amelia’s baptism record says her mother was Elizabeth, either Joseph’s wife of that name, or another Elizabeth.

And I can’t find a baptism for Joseph Noon or Joseph Bodycote at the right sort of time.

I do however, have this entry from FamilySearch, which could well be our Charlotte:

Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Jan 1811
Christening Place: St Margaret, Leicester, Leicester, England
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1810
Father's Name: Jno. Noon
Mother's Name: Maria

And this, which may complete the circle as far as the visitors are concerned:

Name: John Noon
Spouse's Name: Maria Sibson
Event Date: 18 Aug 1806
Event Place: Saint Margaret, Leicester, Leicester, England

So, I think it is safe to assume some relationship between the various people in this house. It looks as if Charlotte and Joseph junior are related to the three Sibsons, but whether any of them are in any way related to Joseph and Amelia is another question entirely.

There are no clues in 1841. Round the corner in Eaton Street, we find:

Joseph Bodycote 35 FWK Yes
Joseph Bodycote 10 FWK Yes Is this Joseph Noon Bodycote?
Mary Bodycote 20 FWK Yes
Emily Bodycote 12 FWK Yes I think this is probably Amelia
Ann Bodycote 1m Yes But who is is her mother?
Ann Simson 40 FWK Yes
Charlott Noon 25 FWK Yes

Then it gets more complicated because someone found this:

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945 about Charlotte Bodycott
Name: Charlotte Bodycott 45
Arrival Date: 13 Nov 1855
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Tonawanda
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: England
Microfilm Roll Number: M425_78

With Joseph age 46 FWK. Now my Joseph was about 61 by his time, but to be honest, I wouldn’t put it past him to lie about his age.

I’m told there is a Charlotte 1861 in Pennsylvania with a younger Joseph Bodycot. I’ve not found that yet, but there is a viewable Joseph Bodycot death certificate on the IGI birth c1830 death 20 May 1904, which would fit for Joseph Noon. However, he could be the same Joseph Bodycote as appears in the 1900 Census for Philadelphia, who apparently emigrated in 1846 and married in the US. As for the relationships between these guys and the other Bodycotes in Philadelphia, I'm not even going to go there (unless I have to).

I'm going to lie down in a darkened room. Would anyone else like to have a go while I'm gone?

[kiterunner]

There is this old thread which looks worth reading through again:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...highlight=noon

Also this one:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...highlight=noon

I'll just have a look through those then get back to this one...

[Anstey Nomad]

I've had a look at the two previous threads (sorry, I didn't realise there were two).

I can see that we have come to the conclusion that John Sibson is probably Charlotte Noon’s half brother and Richard and Lucy are his children, which explains the relationship there.

On the second thread there seems to be lots of speculation, but no firm conclusions reached, so I am still left with the basic questions.

[kiterunner]

This is Charlotte and Joseph on the 1860 US census, mistranscribed as Badycot on ancestry:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/76...nSearchResults

[kiterunner]

And this is the Joseph who married Rebecca, on the 1880 US census:
1880 US census
Kaskaskia, Fayette, Illinois
Bodycote Joseph 51 Husband Farmer England
Rebeckah 41 Wife Keeping House born Illinois
Edward 7 son born Illinois
Benjamin 5 son born Illinois
George 3 son born Illinois.

His age fits with Joseph Noon Bodycote now, although he was only 22 on the 1860 census (if this is the same person.)

Also there is this family at Avon, Rock, Wisconsin, in 1880:
Bodycoat William 25 Farmer born Wisconsin
Charlotte 66 Mother Keeping House born England
Ida 22 Sister Teaching School born Wisconsin
1880 census
But this must be a different Charlotte, mustn't it? Because William and Ida weren't with the Charlotte we were looking at in 1860.

[kiterunner]

Yes, this is the other Charlotte in 1860 with William and Ida among her children, and her husband is Thomas:
1860 US census

[Anstey Nomad]

Just had a look at this. It sounds credible and the ages are good.

However, what about Joseph Bodycote who appears in the 1900 Census for Philadelphia, who apparently emigrated in 1846 and married in the US? I had formed the impression he was the one who was born in 1829 and died in 1904.

Not content with being unable to sort out the Bodycotes in Leicester, do we have parallel people in PA?

[kiterunner]

And on the 1900 US census Joseph Bodycote (the one married to Rebecca with daughter Charlotte) says he was born in Jun 1829 which would fit very well with that newspaper report. He does say he immigrated to the US in 1846, but the year of immigration on the census is often inaccurate, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.
1900 census
Also he says he is naturalised, so there might be some naturalisation papers to find. He is still in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1900, so I would guess naturalised there.
(Sorry, was typing this while you were typing yours, Sheila! )

[Anstey Nomad]

So, on the face of it, it looks as if Charlotte Noon and Joseph Noon Bodycote emigrated to the US together in 1855 and he ended up being a farmer (odd profession for a townie).

I can't find a death for Harriet, but dead or alive he seems to have gone without her then.

But what is the relationship between Charlotte Noon and Joseph Noon Bodycote? I had sort of assumed she was his mother. Now I am even more confused.

Is it me?

[kiterunner]

Sorry, got to go and eat now, will look some more later.