Lloyds

[kiterunner]

I found a marriage on findmypast 23 Apr 1845 at St Margaret Westminster between:
William Lloyd, full age, bachelor, porter, 13 Gt Chapel St, father John Lloyd, collector
and Susannah Phillimore, full age, widow, 35 Gt Chapel St
witnesses Nicho Martin and Jane Palmer.

No details are given of Susannah's father, but I'm pretty sure she is Susannah Glascodine (aka Glass) who was baptised 26 Dec 1808 at St Swithin, Walcot, Bath, Somerset, daughter of John and Jane. Susannah Glascodine married Thomas Phillimore 29 Aug 1839 at St Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, and the first name of her signature matches the marriage to William Lloyd. Thomas Phillimore died Jan 1844 in Southwark. Also "my" Susannah had a niece called Jane Palmer born about 1829 in Bristol who could be the witness.

This is Susannah in 1841:
1841 census
Ann's Place, Southwark St George
Thos Phillimore 30 Carrier N
Susannah Do 30 N
Elizabeth Veal 8 N.

(I don't know how Elizabeth Veal is connected to them.) Can anyone see what happened to William and Susannah Lloyd after 1845, please? I can't find any trace of them.

[ElizabethHerts]

Kate, did Thomas and Susanna have any children who would still be with her in 1851?

[kiterunner]

Not that I know of, Elizabeth.

[Shona]

Could William have died before 1851? There are a few possibles on Ancestry's London deaths.

[kiterunner]

Yes, I suppose either or both of them could have died before 1851, there are just so many Lloyds around!

I've found this William Lloyd in 1851 who is a porter though if his age is right he is too young to be mine:
1851 census
7 Queens Arms Ct, Southwark, Surrey
Richard Harding Head Widr 58 Coal Porter at Iron Foundry Sussex West Oldly
William Do Son U 30 Do Do Do Middx Westminster
William Lloyd Son in Law ??? 25 Do Do Do Surry Lambeth

Do you think it says he is married? Though if he is Richard Harding's son in law he's probably not the right William. Unless Susanna died and he remarried, of course!

[Shona]

It does say he is married rather than widowed.

[kiterunner]

I've found a marriage at Camberwell St Giles 6 Jul 1830 between Richard Harding widower and Martha Lloyd widow, so it looks as though William Lloyd on that 1851 census could be Richard Harding's stepson.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Shona

It does say he is married rather than widowed.

Thanks, Shona, I was hoping someone would say that!

[Shona]

Searching Ancestry's London burials, I get one match for a William Lloyd in Southwark between 1841 and 1851 - 24 June 1846, age 34 years, lived in Hen and Chicken Lane, buried in St Mary's churchyard, Newington.

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Shona.