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19-12-12, 10:28
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A Christmas Challenge
Just seen this on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-20760550 and wondered if you lot wanted to have a go at finding out about him
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19-12-12, 11:48
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19-12-12, 11:50
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19-12-12, 12:29
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The paper snippet at 1min 15 seconds says he was the nephew of H C Cartman previously of Bury a bank manager. In 1911 Herbert Carr Cartman is a bank clerk and is aged 41 from Summerseat.
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19-12-12, 12:32
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In 1871 Herbert is with his parents and they would be Capt Cartman's grandparents:
Thomas Cartman 45 Ann Cartman 42 Mary A Cartman 10 Thomas C Cartman 6 Herbert C Cartman 1 Those names are from the 1871. In 1881 there are no more sons, so would it be a shortcut to just follow the other boy, Thomas C?!!
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19-12-12, 12:35
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These all seem to belong to the elder brother:
Births Jun 1865 Cartman Thomas Lawrence Bury 8c 447 Marriages Sep 1890 Cartman Thomas Laurence Bury 8c 719 Deaths Dec 1899 Cartman Thomas Lawrence 34 Bolton 8c 308 The marriage seems to be to Annie Probert in 1890. In 1891 they have no children.
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19-12-12, 12:42
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If I had looked harder I'd have noticed Thomas b 1893 is with his uncle in 1911!! lol
So, if they need living relatives then there is a likely brother of Thomas (nephew of Herbert Carr), also named Herbert and aged 19 in 1911 who might have had children. If he doesn't have living descendants, then the uncle did have an elder sister Mary Ann Cartman aged 20 in 1881, so there might be someone living from her line.
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19-12-12, 12:54
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So, we are after descendents of any of these:
Brothers: Births Sep 1891 CARTMAN Herbert Bury 8c 614 Births Jun 1893 Cartman Thomas Bolton 8c 459 One of these two: Births Sep 1860 CARTMAN Mary Ann Bury 8c 330 CARTMAN Mary Ann Bury 8c 386 The one who is Thomas's aunt says b Bury on the census. I'm not sure I know who the other one is.
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19-12-12, 12:58
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Where are you all? I've finished by Xmas shopping!
This is probably the auntie: Marriages Sep 1887 BRENNAND William Bury 8c 582 Cartman Mary Ann Bury 8c 582 KERSHAW Edmund Bury 8c 582 Thorpe Annie Owen Bury 8c 582
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19-12-12, 13:05
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It would seem Captain Cartman died in WW2. He was a Captain in WW1, but those are the right parents and he is the only fit for age as I eliminated a couple of others b abt the same time.
CARTMAN, THOMAS Rank:Lieutenant Trade:Quartermaster Service No:98219 Date of Death:02/07/1940 Age:47 Regiment/Service:General List Awards:M C Panel ReferencePanel 21. Column 3. MemorialBROOKWOOD MEMORIAL Additional Information: Son of Thomas and Ann Cartman; husband of Alice Cartman, of Whitefield, Lancashire.
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