Who was Florence? - Genealogists' Forum

Phoenix · #1 01-12-12, 16:34

In 1911, Sarah Rhoda Stagg is living with her daughter Elizabeth Jane Goldfinch, aged 35 (married for 15 years to Alfred Goldfinch, a labourer aged 43) and daughter Florence aged 14. They are all born in Portsmouth.

This is fine, except that I cannot find a birth for Alfred in Portsmouth. I cannot find a marriage in 1896. It looks as if Alfred married in 1891 (but I cannot find him in Portsmouth censuses before 1911)

There are two Florence Goldfinches born in Portsmouth. One is daughter of William and Ann. The other appears to be living in Warblington in 1901 with aunt Nellie Clunn, married aged 35, born Darthmouth Devon. A clue!

Guess what? I can't find Nellie before 1901

Elizabeth Jane STAGG died in 1912, so I don't know whether Florence was actually her daughter or not.

Can anyone find Alfred in 1901 or work out who Nellie was?

ElizabethHerts · #2 01-12-12, 16:45

Only birth I can find:

Name: GOLDFINCH, Alfred Joseph
Registration district: Portsea Island
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1879
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no:2B
Page no:475

ElizabethHerts · #3 01-12-12, 16:52

There is an Alfred Goldfinch born c. 1868 in Malta:

1871 Census
GOLDFINCH, Alfred
PORTSEA ISLAND, Hampshire
RG10 piece 1133 folio 6 page 6

Dad is in the R.N.
Most of the family are given by initials.

Shona · #4 01-12-12, 16:53

Nellie Clunn - aka Helena Clunn - was born in 1866 and died in Portsmouth in 1931.

There is a birth of a Helena Goldfinch in July-Aug-Sept 1866 in Totnes district.

Shona · #5 01-12-12, 16:54

Do we reckon that Nellie Clunn (Helena Goldfinch) and Alfred Goldsmith are borther and sister?

Phoenix · #6 01-12-12, 17:01

Helena! Durr. I've been looking at every version of Ellen & Elinor I could think of.

Shona, it would make sense if Nellie and Alfred were brother and sister. I assume it was a naval family - off to check Elizabeth's ref!

ElizabethHerts · #7 01-12-12, 17:01

Oooh, look at this, Phoenix:

http://www.zefrem.demon.co.uk/goldfinch.html

You need to scroll down a bit.

ElizabethHerts · #8 01-12-12, 17:05

Helena Goldfinch 1867- Malta
Parents: James Richard Goldfinch and Mary Ann Huxtable Russell
Husband: 1887 James Steele Clumm

From the site I gave the link for.

ElizabethHerts · #9 01-12-12, 17:08

FMP have Dad's initials as T.R. but it should be J.R. for James Richard.

Shona · #10 01-12-12, 17:11

Helena Goldsmith married James Steele Clumm OND 1887, Portsea Island.

In 1881, she was living in London:

49 Rupert Street, Westminster
Richard O'Connell, head, 26, tailor, born London
Mary Ann O'Connell, wife, 27, born Portsmouth
Helena Goldfinch, sister-in-law, 14, domestic servant