I'm sure I've asked this before...

[HarrysMum]

Sorry this is so long but I wanted to set it out...
I'm trying to sort my gg grandfather's parents and siblings. I've asked bits and pieces before but i don't think I've added everything together.

I have for sure..............

John Nation and Phoebe Mepham (mn Martin) having children in Australia
Jane 1844
William 1846
John 1848
Thomas 1849
Ellen 1851
Amelia 1852
Charlotte 1856

I have all the baptisms (with dob) for alll except Charlotte who has a birth cert, which I have.
I'm 100% sure john and Phoebe never married.

John gives his pob as Somerset.


Now........I've found for Bridgewater, Somerset.

John and Mary Ann Nation having the following children baptised

Ann 1814
Amelia 1814
John 1815
Sarah 1817
Charlotte 1818
Caroline 1823
Eliza 1823
Mary Ann Skinner 1832

The records give no dates of birth.

There seems a big gap between Mary Ann and the rest but no impossible. Parents are the same with same occupation.

There is a marriage in 1804 Broomfield for a John Nation and Mary Ann Skinner

Some trees have a Thomas Skinner Nation baptised 1811, but I can't find it.

There is a big gap between the 1804 marriage and the possible 1811 or definite 1814 child. Maybe lots of deaths, army service, records not transcribed??????????

What I want to do is make John bap 1815 into my John in Australia.

I've never found how my fellow got here.

Any ideas????

[kiterunner]

Does John Nation's death registration give his parents' names?

[marquette]

I have searched for folk in a similar area of Somerset - chased a Daniel Bennett in Bridgewater for a long time before I found him. He was born in Whitelackington, married in Taunton, had children baptised Frome and died in Britsol.

Have you used this site, which lists the known parish transcriptions ?

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ian.sage/...ndex_ae.html#B

Some transcriptions give more details than others.

Records for arrivals before the 1840s are not easy to find, to see where he came from, but better maybe if he was a convict. There are some passenger lists in newspaper reports, but they don't give any details usually.

Have you followed the John 1815 to John and Mary Ann to see if you can find him later, to see if he exists separately to your John ?


Di

[HarrysMum]

Kite......no parents on his death cert.

I do like the similar names my John gives his children to the names of the John and Mary Ann family in Bridgewater.....lol

Of course they aren't THAT unusual.

Di....I haven't seen that site (I don't think)...Will go there now. Thanks.

[HarrysMum]

Sorry, Di......didn't finish.

I've traced the other John Nations I've found but can't get this 1815 one later in England.

[kiterunner]

Someone on ancestry has John Nation and Phoebe Martin marrying 14 Oct 1841 at St James in Sydney. Have you already checked that out and found no marriage?

[HarrysMum]

Yes that is on the youngest child's birth cert but it's a lie......lol

[Kit]

I can't find my 2g grandfather arriving in Oz either Libby and he was from Somerset too. I'm confident he wasn't a convict but have no record after the time he was about 5 to when he married here. I feel he would have been an assisted immigrant but can't find him on the shipping records.

I'm just lucky that both he and his wife knew who their parents were and those details went on the death certs.

If you find him let us know. Maybe I'll find my 2g grandparents the same way you find yours.

[HarrysMum]

Toni....I don't think this guy was a convict either as they are easier to find. There are two other Nation males who came as convicts in the 1830s. Each of these has a brother named John and both those Johns are still in England in census.

If only I could find the shipping record I'd be happy. I've got stacks of newspaper reports about him in Australia. He was a landowner and horse dealer in the Hunter Valley.

[Merry]

Libby, have you investigated the age of the John Skinner Nation who died in Bridgwater district in 1845?

If Thomas Skinner Nation doesn't seem to have a baptism to make him fit in to the Nation/Skinner family his 1839 marriage cert would tell you his father, but I guess you don't need him unless you can be sure John, 1815, is yours?