Disaster - brick wall has got higher!

[Merry]

BK6 updated from this thread

Sorry this is so long..........If you can't face reading it all, just go down to the bit under the ~~~~~~~~~~~ at the end!

I thought I'd solved this years ago, but the LMA records have disproved a theory I had, where I was too mean to get the cert.

I am trying to find the first marriage of Hephzibah PACKER.

Hephzibah PACKER was born in June 1821 in St Pancras, the dau of Robert Hazel PACKER and Ann X. She was baptised twice! The first time at Tottenham Court Road Independent when she was about 3 years old and secondly at All Souls, Marylebone when she was about 15. Both records give the same date of birth etc.

In 1854 Hephzibah had a second marriage to James BEARD. On the marriage cert she gives her own name as Harriet Hephzibah ROBINSON, widow, and her father as Robert Hazel PACKER, tin man. Also her brother, Robert Lewis PACKER was one of the witnesses, so I'm very happy this is the right Hephzibah. After her marriage to James BEARD she used the name Harriet on the censuses. By the time she died in 1873 (Q1), the name Hephzibah had been dropped altogether and she was just Harriet Beard (I don't have this cert though). <<<<UPDATE: this is wrong. She died as Harriet Hephzibah Beard in 1877!

Anyway......I have never been able to track down the previous marriage to Mr Robinson. I always thought this was it:

Marriages Dec 1840
ARCHER Edward W London 2 263
HAYWOOD Eliza W. London 2 263
MASON John W. London 2 263
MASON Mary Ann Wt. London 2 263
MOORE Elizabeth Sarah W. London 2 263
Packer Hephzibah W. London 2 263 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
WILDERS George Husson W. London 2 263

above has four women and three men

and the following, below, used to have three women and four men, but some time recently FreeBMD has added another name!!! I had thought one of the page numbers had the figures reversed.

Marriages Dec 1840
CLARKE Jane W London 2 236
DAFFARN Ann W. London 2 236
DOODY Mary W. London 2 236
GOODALL Sarah W. London 2 236
HUGHES Charles Edmund W. London 2 236
MURPHY Jeremiah W. London 2 236
ROBINSON William W.London 2 236 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SCHOLING John Frederick William W. London 2 236

but the LMA records show William Robinson married Sarah Goodall (both page 236!) and the Hephzibah Packer who married in Q4 1840 married Joseph Stevens who is the missing man for page 263 as his page has been transcribed as 265. This Hephzibah definitely isn't mine as her father is recorded on the marriage cert as Elijah Packer, basket maker. I have seen the baptism of this girl too.

So now I'm back to square one! lol

If only she had stuck to the name Hephzibah in normal life I might have been in with a chance. Any ideas, anyone???

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Looking for a marriage for Hepzibah Packer b 1821 to Mr Robinson, before 1854, when she remarried as a widow. Events should be in London - Marylebone/Holborn/Islington/St Pancras areas.

Thanks.

[Joan of Archives]

Have you every found her on the 1851 census with Mr Robinson? Lol!

[samesizedfeet]

I'm struggling to find her on 1851

DId find this bloke though:

Wobbmin Robinson

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England


It's no wonder we struggle so hard

[Merry]

I have no sightings of her between the 1836 second baptism and her marriage to James Beard in 1854.

That looks like a nightmare Zoe!

OH has just pointed out a Harriet Packer on the 1841 in Marylebone who is the right age which might well be her. I think up to now I've always imagined she was a Robinson for both censuses, because of the spurious 1840 marriage (and I thought I was so clever working that out!! lol)

[Joan of Archives]

Originally Posted by samesizedfeet

I'm struggling to find her on 1851

DId find this bloke though:

Wobbmin Robinson

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England


It's no wonder we struggle so hard

I saw that Zoe ! I thought it could be one of Jonathan Ross's rellies lol!

[Merry]

Originally Posted by Joan of Archives

I saw that Zoe ! I thought it could be one of Jonathan Ross's rellies lol!

pmsl!!!!

[samesizedfeet]

THere's a female 'NARP' Robinson on 1851

Unfortunately the image isn't any help on whether it's her or not - no marital status, no occupation and she's lodging with a family called Hirsh.


Have you found Mr Beard in 1851 to see if she's anywhere near him by chance?

[Merry]

Oooh, I've got the wrong death for her *shock horror!!*

Deaths Mar 1877
Beard Harriet Hepzibah 54 Pancras 1b 43

*Hastily amends tree*

[Merry]

Originally Posted by samesizedfeet

THere's a female 'NARP' Robinson on 1851

Unfortunately the image isn't any help on whether it's her or not - no marital status, no occupation and she's lodging with a family called Hirsh.


Have you found Mr Beard in 1851 to see if she's anywhere near him by chance?

LOL re Narp!

I have found James Beard here in 1851 with his first wife, Sarah Camp:

HO107; Piece: 1494; Folio: 421; Page: 25

[samesizedfeet]

Just found beard as well.

Not getting anything positive looking for Harriets/Hepzibahs in the same area.

I suppose we always have to consider that Mr Robinson could be have been husband number 2 or 3 and she's got a completely different name in 1851