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I've been trying to find the fate of Catherine Adams born in Whitechapel, London in 1818 and baptised the same year at St Mary Moorfields RC.
In 1841 she's in Chapel Court, Essex Street, Whitechapel with her parents Michael and Margaret (their ages are twenty years out and I know nothing of their fates) - http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_717_717-0224/7917909?backurl=http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/26747435/person/5086659961/facts
She's still in Chapel Court in 1844 but by 1851, she's in St Sepulchre Newgate with her sister Mary Dempsey and niece http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/MDXHO107_1515_1515-0604/2746083?backurl=http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/26747435/person/5086659961/facts
In 1861, Catherine is still with Mary and Mary's other daughter at a different address in St Sepulchre. http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/MDXRG9_188_190-0031/5344576?backurl=http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/26747435/person/5086659961/facts
After this, I lose all track of Catherine, Mary and both of Mary's daughters. I haven't got all the possible death certificates for Mary Dempseys in London so she may be accounted for there but none of the possible marriages for her daughters seem to be them. I'm fairly confident Catherine isn't any of the possible Catherine Adams of a similar age in future censuses.
I've just found this Catherine Adams in the New South Wales passenger lists for 1862. Single, 42, domestic servant, from London, RC and unable to read or write, all of which fits or is quite likely.http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1204/IMAUS1787_081409-0312/182136?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dNSWassisted%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_ r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3d catherine%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dadams%26gsln_x%3d 1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3duaq&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Can anyone find anything to support this being my Catherine please?
kiterunner
23-02-17, 16:41
Do you know the name of Mary's husband / father of her daughters?
kiterunner
23-02-17, 16:50
NSW BDM has the death of a Catherine Adams in Sydney in 1879 and one in Randwick in 1889, both with fathers named Michael, but both with mother's name Mary. Find a Grave says the 1879 one was buried at Rookwood 18 Mar 1879, and the 1889 also buried at Rookwood, 13 Mar 1889, but doesn't give age at death for either of them.
kiterunner
23-02-17, 18:23
Both of those Catherines buried at Rookwood are in the Catholic Cemetery, whose records show that the 1889 one was 70 years old (it says 13 Apr 1889 on there, rather than Mar) and "unknown" for the age of the 1879 one.
http://search.catholiccemeteries.org.au/default.aspx
A William Neil is buried in the same grave, age 19, but as he was buried the day after Catherine I doubt they were related. There is nobody buried with the 1879 Catherine.
According to funeral notices in March 1879, that Catherine Adams was the wife of David. Cant find one for the 1889 Catherine.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107149065?searchTerm=catherine%20adams%20funeral&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=187
Have to go, but will check later today
Di
Thank you.both. I don't know about Mary's husband- there's a Timothy and Mary with matching daughters at St Mary Moorfields but mms is Sheehan so don't know. Mary's husband is dead by 1841. I have a note about a death for Catherine in 1883 Western Australia but obviously the father can't be recorded as Michael. I can't see another Catherine the woman on the Annie Wilson can be but is that enough?
Do you know for sure Catherine never married?
There's three Catherine Adams' marriages in NSW between 1862 and 1876. One in 1867 is to a Fitzpatrick (good Catholic name). A couple of Catherine Fitzpatrick deaths with father Michael.
I'll search around Trove after I get brekky cleaned up.
The Catherine Adams who emigrated in 1862 0n the 'Annie Wilson' appears to have been sponsored by John Daley
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60509833?searchTerm=%22annie%20wilson%22&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=186|||l-year=1862
Morning Libby - Catherine could well have got married and not necessarily to a Catholic even. Several of her relations married Protestants and gradually moved away from Catholicism. Do marriages show father's name?
Thanks Bev, I'll have a look around and see if I can find any links to a John Daley
Kate, I've been looking at the cemetery & death info you found. Catherine was born in May 1818 so the 1889 is exactly right. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find her mother's name recorded wrongly but without other evidence, Catherine Adams was a fairly common Irish name as were Michael and Margaret.
The marriage index doesn't show parents names but the certs show both father and mother (including maiden name) of both parties.
Had people pop in all day, but haven't forgotten you.
A William Neil is buried in the same grave, age 19, but as he was buried the day after Catherine I doubt they were related. There is nobody buried with the 1879 Catherine.
It isn't common to bury unknown people together like that, not here anyway, so I wonder if there might be a connection. Rookwood is huge, you drive around it now, not walk, and would have been quite empty back then.
I'm not far from Rookwood Asa so if you work out which one is yours I could go out and have a look one day and see if there is a headstone for you.
I'm not hopeful about the 1889 one though as the google image shows it is under trees.
Depending on the weather (it is supposed to rain today) and my son's health (he has a throat infection) I might drag the family around Rookwood tomorrow.
I'd agree with Toni about it being uncommon to bury people with no connection in the same grave. It is done with some very old paupers graves, but not usually any others.
Can't find much at all. I did find a newspaper article stating a Catherine Adams, aged 67, a nurse, fell down stairs and broke both arms. That was in the paper 31st May 1886. It was in Newcastle and Sydney papers. Her address was 92 Harrington Street. It doesn't say which town.
Toni thank you but don't on my account - think 've a long way to go to sort which Catherine is mine :)
I'm not hopeful about the 1889 one though as the google image shows it is under trees.
Depending on the weather (it is supposed to rain today) and my son's health (he has a throat infection) I might drag the family around Rookwood tomorrow.
Libby thank you for looking for me. At some point, I need to try a few likely certificates maybe or try and find what happened to Catherine's nieces as that may help. Thanks
Can't find much at all. I did find a newspaper article stating a Catherine Adams, aged 67, a nurse, fell down stairs and broke both arms. That was in the paper 31st May 1886. It was in Newcastle and Sydney papers. Her address was 92 Harrington Street. It doesn't say which town.
Toni thank you but don't on my account - think 've a long way to go to sort which Catherine is mine :)
I've not had a wander through a cemetery for a while so I'm happy to go. It might also help sort out who is who, if the headstones were done by helpful people.
kiterunner
25-02-17, 09:51
Can't find much at all. I did find a newspaper article stating a Catherine Adams, aged 67, a nurse, fell down stairs and broke both arms. That was in the paper 31st May 1886. It was in Newcastle and Sydney papers. Her address was 92 Harrington Street. It doesn't say which town.
As far as I can tell from Googling, there is a Harrington Street in Sydney but not in Newcastle.
ElizabethHerts
25-02-17, 09:59
We stayed at the Harbour Rocks Hotel in Harrington Street when we visited Sydney in 2006.
I'm sorry to say that neither grave has a headstone. Both graves are in the old part of the Catholic cemetery and there are not a lot of graves with headstones left. I'm sorry, I was hoping that there would be something useful to help you work out who was who.
I appreciate you looking, Toni and hope it was a nice walk :) Hopefully something will turn up one day to help identify Catherine.
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