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Elizabeth was born in 1841, a fortnight before the census was taken, in Plymouth.
Her last surviving parent died in Kingsand in 1867 and Elizabeth was executor: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=bmd%2fir27%2f361%2f011&parentid=bmd%2fd%2fdduty%2f1194355&highlights=%22%22
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1904/31874_223178-00038/5226482?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dsXh2147%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dukprobatecal%26 so%3d2%26pcat%3d36%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3djane%2520jago%2520 %26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dedwards%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSA V%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d4%26catbucket%3dr%26uidh%3 d9vh&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
by 1871, Elizabeth is lodging with Helen Slope, still in Kingsand: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1871%2f2228%2f0132&parentid=gbc%2f1871%2f0005334683&highlights=%22%22
She must have met George Rogers, whom she married in 1875, through Helen, as Helen's mother's name was Rogers and by 1891 Elizabeth is again with Helen, this time described as cousin.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/CONRG12_1804_1806-0453/9602324?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1891%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROO T_CATEGORY%26_phsrc%3dsXh2151%26_phstart%3dsuccess Source%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3dhelen%26gsfn_x%3dN N%26gsln%3dslope%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3d 9vh&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
But can anyone spot Elizabeth in 1881?
kiterunner
06-09-16, 19:01
Do you have any information about George Rogers, Phoenix? The marriage is listed on FamilySearch and it says he was 26, but to view the image and see the rest of his details, I would have to be at a FamilySearch Centre.
Presumably you have discounted this Elizabeth? http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/DEVRG11_2189_2192-0662?pid=3290645&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dmqg259%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource %26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3DElizabet h%2520Adams%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3DRogers%26gsln_x% 3D0%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DPlymouth,%2520De von,%2520England%26msbpn%3D83196%26msbpn_PInfo%3D8-%257C0%257C0%257C3257%257C3251%257C0%257C0%257C0%2 57C5261%257C83196%257C0%257C0%257C%26MSAV%3D1%26ui dh%3Dpu7%26pcat%3DUKICEN%26h%3D3290645%26db%3Duki1 881%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D4&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=mqg259&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
kiterunner
06-09-16, 19:54
That one says unmarried, Joy.
That one says unmarried, Joy.
True, but I have seen incorrect status on records before, so I just wondered.
If the FS ages are correctly transcribed then Elizabeth has knocked off about 5 years from her age, so it might be reasonable to imagine George's age may be incorrect too as he appears to be a few years younger than her. I wondered if this was his death?
Deaths Mar 1878
ROGERS George 26 Plymouth 5b 252
So there's a half reasonable chance she was a widow in 1881. Obviously her OH might have been in the navy etc (given the area) so the death is only a 'maybe'.
kiterunner
06-09-16, 22:33
The burial record on FMP for that George gives his residence as 5 Holycross Lane, Plymouth.
But sorry to say there is no Rogers at that address in 1881:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/DEVRG11_2201_2204-0098/3347796?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1881%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%2 6new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msr pn__ftp%3dDevon%252c%2bEngland%26msrpn%3d5261%26ms rpn_PInfo%3d7-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5261%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c%26msrpn_x%3d1%26msr pn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw%3dholycross%26gskw_x%3d1%26MS AV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=DEVRG11_220 1_2204-0098
kiterunner
06-09-16, 22:47
There are some public trees on ancestry with George Rogers and Elizabeth Adams Edwards on, with loads of attached records, but unfortunately they seem to have got the wrong couple on all those records. :(
Presumably you have discounted this Elizabeth? http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/DEVRG11_2189_2192-0662?pid=3290645&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dmqg259%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource %26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3DElizabet h%2520Adams%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3DRogers%26gsln_x% 3D0%26msbdy%3D1841%26msbpn__ftp%3DPlymouth,%2520De von,%2520England%26msbpn%3D83196%26msbpn_PInfo%3D8-%257C0%257C0%257C3257%257C3251%257C0%257C0%257C0%2 57C5261%257C83196%257C0%257C0%257C%26MSAV%3D1%26ui dh%3Dpu7%26pcat%3DUKICEN%26h%3D3290645%26db%3Duki1 881%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D4&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=mqg259&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
That one was my first thought. Joy, but an Elizabeth ANN RYDER Rogers appears to have got three months for larceny, so I don't think she is my girl.
I don't know anything about George, and 'cousin' could mean second or third cousin.
Perhaps I could abandon house tidying and head to Kew:D It would be good to get a handle on him.
It's interesting that they marry in the Plymouth area, rather than Maker. It suggests she is following him, not the other way around.
kiterunner
07-09-16, 10:21
I take it you haven't seen the 1861 census entry for the Slope family, Phoenix?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/CONRG9_1517_1522-0982/16087394?backurl=http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/5630195/person/53000128915/facts/citation/343738190174/edit/record
Cleave, Maker, Cornwall
Mary Slope Head W 60 Lodging House Keeper Maker
Elizth Do Daur Un 37 Do
Helen Do Daur Un 30 Teacher Do
George Rogers Nephew Un 11 Scholar Lancaster Liverpool
(and I guess nobody looked at that back in 2008 when you asked about Elizabeth on FTF!)
kiterunner
07-09-16, 10:27
These are George Rogers' Masters and Mates certificates and other documents (you need to browse through from this image):
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2271/31936_1831101456_0236-00863/560722?backurl=http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/5630195/person/53000129304/facts#?imageId=31936_1831101456_0236-00855
(thanks to the person who has Helen and George in their public tree on ancestry!) His address in 1879 was View House, Cawsand, near Devonport. (Helen Slope's house on the 1871 census.)
So he may be away at sea on the censuses, and also may have died at sea.
We know he was Mate on the "Dawn" of Brixham in 1879 and qualified as Master in that year. I wonder if we can find info on his voyages after that.
kiterunner
07-09-16, 10:36
FMP lists him as Mate on the "Forest Princess" of Newport, Monmouthshire, vessel number 56535, from the 7 Jun 1879 to 15 Nov 1879, previous vessel the "Dawn" of Brixham. And it gives his seaman's ticket number as 95129.
kiterunner
07-09-16, 10:47
FMP has a George Rogers, age 33, Mate of the "Magdala" of London (vessel number 58712), died at sea 20 Feb 1882, ship sailed from Cardiff and what I assume is the whole crew is listed with "Vessel missing". The Master was Peter Nelson.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=bmd%2fmtm%2fbt157%2f0004%2f001-070&parentid=bmd%2fd%2fmaritime%2f3782&highlights=%22%22
Oooh, I bumped him off too soon then!
kiterunner
07-09-16, 11:11
South Wales Daily News 3 Nov 1882
The undermentioned vessels, which have previously been referred to as overdue, were on Wednesday posted at Lloyd's as missing:- The Magdala, Captain Nelson, official No 58,712 which sailed from Penarth for Ternate Moluccas, laden with coals, on February 21st.
kiterunner
07-09-16, 11:12
Oooh, I bumped him off too soon then!
Assuming that George Rogers, Mate of the "Magdala", is the right George Rogers. I should think so as he is the right age.
Assuming that George Rogers, Mate of the "Magdala", is the right George Rogers. I should think so as he is the right age.
Yes, seems likely to me.
Poor, poor Elizabeth. And all the other relatives, of course. I dare say that even after the ship was officially declared lost, there must have been the smidgeon of doubt and hope.
The George you found definitely sounds like the right one, as his career was very similar to those of her eldest brothers, Charles and Osman, and Osman married in Liverpool.
I don't know anything about George, and 'cousin' could mean second or third cousin.
Perhaps I could abandon house tidying and head to Kew:D It would be good to get a handle on him.
It's interesting that they marry in the Plymouth area, rather than Maker. It suggests she is following him, not the other way around.
While you are at Kew ... :) Not really.
Or she just wanted to return to her place of birth to get married?
I take it you haven't seen the 1861 census entry for the Slope family, Phoenix?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/CONRG9_1517_1522-0982/16087394?backurl=http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/5630195/person/53000128915/facts/citation/343738190174/edit/record
Cleave, Maker, Cornwall
Mary Slope Head W 60 Lodging House Keeper Maker
Elizth Do Daur Un 37 Do
Helen Do Daur Un 30 Teacher Do
George Rogers Nephew Un 11 Scholar Lancaster Liverpool
(and I guess nobody looked at that back in 2008 when you asked about Elizabeth on FTF!)
:o:o:o
While you are at Kew ... :) Not really.
Or she just wanted to return to her place of birth to get married?
Lol! I really enjoyed your last challenge, Joy! I do have other things to do at the moment, but when I do get back to Kew, I'll need enough things to do to justify the visit.
Although you cannot be sure from censuses, Elizabeth appears to have spent a lot of her life in Maker. There might have been some of her mother's family still in Plymouth, but none of her father's, while her siblings were already scattered to the four corners of the world.
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