John Coombs West

[ElizabethHerts]

My Bassett-Lamb Chancery case is still causing me problems:

"Reference: C 13/2744/23
Description:
[H1804 B8].
Short title: Bassett v Lamb.
Document type: bill only.
Plaintiffs: Jane Bassett.
Defendant: John Coombs West, William Evans Lamb and William Lamb.
Original bill: Easter 1707, Revived Hilary 1800.

SFP
Note: The naming of a party does not imply that he or she will appear in all the documents in this cause (after the bill)
Date: 1804
Held by: The National Archives, Kew"

Mary Evans married Richard Hobbs in 1747.
One of their daughters, Mary, married John West.
So I assume that John Coombs West could be their son.

I have found (with slightly different spelling):
Name: John Combes West
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 30 Jan 1776
Baptism Place: Bromley, Kent, England
Father: John West
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 1042453
Reference ID: item 5

Also, there are other children.

But no trace of John Coombs West.

I found this too:
http://www.genealytreemaker.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/west/6057/

Can anyone find any more on this chap?

[ElizabethHerts]

I think the date should be 1797 and not 1707.

[ElizabethHerts]

It looks like our family in Bromley:

Susanna West bapt. 26 May 1773,
Richard Hobbs West bapt. 13 Jul 1774
Philip Mundy West bapt. 11 Oct 1777
William Midwinter West bapt. 28 Apr 1780

all to John and Mary West

[Phoenix]

Have you looked at teh other references? there seems to be a doubt whether the surname is West or Coombe:

Reference: C 12/1424/7
Description:

[H1797 B7].

Short title: Bassett v Lamb.

Document type: two answers.

Plaintiffs: Jane Bassett.

Defendant: William Lamb and wife, John Kent and wife, John West (amended to John Coombe) and wife, Charles Mundy and wife and Thomas Bassett.

Amended by an order dated 12 June 1797: Charles Mundy and wife removed as defendants.

Revived Hilary 1800, Revived Easter 1804 and Revived Trinity 1804.
Note: Suit titles taken from OBS 1/660; data on parties taken from IND 1/4204 fo 61v

[Phoenix]

It looks as if William Lamb, John Kent, John West and Charles Mundy married sisters. Could that be the case?

In which case John Coombe West would be the father, not the son.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks for looking, Phoenix.

This gives the relationships of the sisters:
"...And also leaving Def’t Mary now the Wife of Def’t John West, Def’t Hannah now the wife of Def’t Chas Mundy the two daurs of Mary late the Wife of Richd Hobbs Gent one of her Sisters & then dec’ed and Def’t Susannah now the wife of Def’t Wm Lamb and Def’t Jemima now the Wife of Def’t John Kent her two other sisters her Coheiresses at Law her surviving.."

Ann Evans married William Bassett.
She had three sisters who survived her:
Susanna who married William Lamb
Jemima who married John Kent.
Mary who married Richard Hobbs. However, Mary died, leaving her two daughters Mary and Hannah to inherit. Mary married John West and Hannah married Charles Mundy.

[kiterunner]

The one mentioned on that link (end of post #1), who married Mary Ann Judge, is probably John Coomber West, baptised 2 Mar 1828 East Peckham, Kent, son of John and Hannah. He then has a second marriage in 1878 to an Ann Catherine Excell.

[kiterunner]

Oh dear, I just realised which family this is about! (now I have read post #6)

[ElizabethHerts]

Oh dear, I just realised which family this is about! (now I have read post #6)

Sorry, Kate! I know the feeling.
It's odd, because I have never found this National Archives reference before. I got all my Chancery papers from Neath. They take up a whole drawer!

[kiterunner]

There is a John Coomber West buried 22 Mar 1838 at Brenchley, Kent, age 53, according to FamilySearch. I wonder whether the age could be wrong? It offered to let me view the image but when I clicked, it said I had to be at a FamilySearch Centre.

[Phoenix]

This is a bit muddled, but the Bearstead marriage of 26 December 1749 suggests that Mary Hobbs married the son of John West and Sarah Coomb(e/r/s)

http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/70384677/person/44214510872/facts

[ElizabethHerts]

Ooh, thanks for that, Phoenix.

Richard Hobbs West is very logically the grandson of Richard Hobbs.

I've just found this marriage on FMP:
First name(s) Mary
Last name Hobbs
Name note -
Marriage year 1772
Marriage date 02 Aug 1772
Marriage place Leyton
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name West
County Essex
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

[ElizabethHerts]

William Evans Lamb, son of William Lamb and Susanna Evans, was living a "Lowleighton" in 1778 according to his marriage allegation, so there is a family connection with Leyton in Essex.

[ElizabethHerts]

Phoenix, the tree you found looks inaccurate on several accounts. One John Coomber West allegedly lived from 1776 to 1881 and his son from 1800 to 1919!

[ElizabethHerts]

To muddy the waters further, William Evans Lamb's first wife was Margaret MUNDY, daughter of Philip and Mary Mundy of Wanstead, Essex.

Charles Mundy married Hannah Hobbs, but I haven't found any connection yet.

[ElizabethHerts]

There is a John Coomber West buried 22 Mar 1838 at Brenchley, Kent, age 53, according to FamilySearch. I wonder whether the age could be wrong? It offered to let me view the image but when I clicked, it said I had to be at a FamilySearch Centre.

Sorry, Kate, I'm not ignoring you. I'm trying to cook dinner at the same time.

I'll investigate asap.

[Phoenix]

There is a will of Hugh Mundy in the PCC who has son Charles and brother Phillip. made 1774, proved 1775.

[ElizabethHerts]

There is a will of Hugh Mundy in the PCC who has son Charles and brother Phillip. made 1774, proved 1775.

That sounds interesting! Will look after we have eaten. I note they were in Essex, so it all sounds about right.

[ElizabethHerts]

I've now found the PCC will of Charles Mundy from 1795 on Ancestry, via the TA Discovery catalogue.

His wife Hannah (Hobbs) died and he subsequently married Elizabeth. I think he was childless.

He names his three cousins William Mundy, Thomas Mundy and Philp Mundy and mentions land at Low Leyton, Essex.

The will is also mentioned in the SEAX catalogue.

https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/SeaxPAM/result_details.aspx?DocID=322165

[ElizabethHerts]

Back to the Coombs/Combes name:

I have just looked again at the marriage allegation for William Evans Lamb and Margaret Mundy in 1770.

"KNOW all Men by these Presents, That We Philip Mundy of the Parish of Low Leighton in the County of Essex Carpenter and Mary Combes of the same Parish Widow

are hereby become bound unto the Right Reverend Father in God Robert by Divine Permission Lord Bishop of London, in the Sum of Two Hundred Pounds of good and lawful Money of Great-Britain, to be paid to him the said Right Reverend Father in God, or his lawful Attorney, Executors, Successors or Assigns...."

Interesting!

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm trying to sort out the Mundy family through their wills and other information.

Then I came across an Ancestry tree detailing wills of father and son Hugh Mundy.

Hugh Mundy senior, according to the tree, married MARY EVANS in 1716 at Barking!!!

I really don't have time to investigate further at present as we have a very busy time coming up. Very frustrating!

http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/18849107/person/1077320649/facts

[ElizabethHerts]

Now back from holiday. I have just found this:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000175%2f18030629%2f002

in which enquiries are being made in 1803 about the whereabouts or news of Richard Hobbs West age about 30.

[Phoenix]

Poor young man!
To run away to sea, and your relations not caring about you, except to prove your death!