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Hi all,
So far I've been unable to trace the marriage of George Hale (or Hayle) and Dinah Moody. I have them on census records between 1841 and 1901, and both seem to have died in the Mattingley area of Hampshire.
George's parents were Thomas and Martha, and there is a baptism entry for 7th January 1826 in Sherfield, Hampshire. This is before compulsory birth registration of course, and so I would put George's birth down as being Q4 1825. He died Q1 1901, age 75.
Dinah's parents were James and Mary, and there is a baptism entry for 24th January 1830 in Lockerley, Hampshire, so Dinah's birth is probably Q4 1829. Her census records give her place of birth as Nately Scures, Hampshire, and she died Q4 1895, age 66.
Can anyone find a marriage for them? I've tried variations of the names on FreeBMD and then checked the names of their partners on Ancestry, but I can't find anything that would be George Hale and Dinah Moody.
kiterunner
13-01-16, 13:46
When you say you have them on the censuses from 1841 to 1901, James, I take it they aren't together in 1841? So which is the first census that they appear on together, please?
Arghh, sorry Kate, that's really obvious and I should have mentioned it. Sorry. :o
1861 census in Newnham, Hampshire. They have two sons at that time.
kiterunner
13-01-16, 14:04
So if this is them in 1861, we need to investigate where the two Page children fit in ("in law" was also used to mean "step" in those days):
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/HAMRG9_709_712-0101/10876969?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1861%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d35% 26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dgeo *%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dha*le*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbd y%3d1826%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d5%26msbpn__ftp_x% 3d1%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msfng_ x%3d1%26msfns_x%3d1%26msmng_x%3d1%26msmns_x%3d1%26 msbng0_x%3d1%26mssng0_x%3d1%26mssns0_x%3d1%26mscng 0_x%3d1%26gskw%3dsh*f*ld%26gskw_x%3d1%26_83004002_ x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Park Lane, Newnham Green, Hampshire
George Hayle Head Mar 35 Ag Lab Hants Sherfield
Dinah Do Wife Mar 32 Do Nately Scures
Elizabeth Page Daur in law 10 Do Newnham
Thos Do Son in law 8 Scholar Do Basing
George Hayle Son 5 Do Newnham
William Do Son 3 Do Do
Charlotte Do Daur 8 Mo Do Do
So....
Marriages Mar 1850
Page George Basingstoke 7 87 Scan available - click to view
WATMORE Diana Basingstoke 7 87
and then:
Marriages Sep 1854
HALL George Basingstoke 2c 256 corella
Hall George Basingstoke 2c 256 DebbieSAO
EDIT see post 8 for the bride!
Postems for this entry:
23/03/2007 This entry should read GEORGE HALE not GEORGE HALL.
He was my wifes Great Great Grandfather and we have proven his entries are incorrect here.
Wendy Johnson (nee HALE)
So where does the surname Moody come in?
Here's the 1851 census for George Page and his wife and dau Elizabeth who appears in the 1861 census Kate posted:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1681_1681-0184/3517851?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROO T_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3deli z*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dpage%26gsln_x%3d1%26mswpn __ftp_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1850%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3 d1%26msbpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw%3dbasingstoke%26gskw_ x%3d1%26_83004002_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26cat bucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3d672&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
kiterunner
13-01-16, 14:15
This must be the Page family in 1851. Are you sure that your Dinah is Dinah Moody, James? Have you got her maiden name from one of the children's birth certificates?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1681_1681-0184/3517851?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db %26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3deli* %26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dpa*g*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy% 3d1850%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26msbpn__ftp_x%3d 1%26msrpn__ftp%3dHampshire%252c%2bEngland%26msrpn% 3d5266%26msrpn_PInfo%3d7-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5266%257c0%257c0%257c%26msrpn_x%3d1%26msrpn__ft p_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msfng_x%3d1%26msfns_x %3d1%26msmng_x%3d1%26msmns_x%3d1%26msbng0_x%3d1%26 mssng0_x%3d1%26mssns0_x%3d1%26mscng0_x%3d1%26MSAV% 3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Pott Lane, Basing, Hampshire
George Page Head Mar 28 Ag Lab Hants Weston Patrick
Dinah Do Wife Mar 22 Do Newnham
Elizabeth Do Daur 6 months do Nately Scures
There is a possible George Page / Diana Watmore marriage Jan-Mar 1850 Basingstoke district.
Eidt - I see Merry got there way before me!
kiterunner
13-01-16, 14:17
And just to add that Dinah Page is the other person in that 1854 marriage that Merry posted up in post #5.
And just to add that Dinah Page is the other person in that 1854 marriage that Merry posted up in post #5.
lol that's what comes of copy/pasting without looking properly!
No, I am not sure on this occasion as I've not been able to find a marriage record and so it's difficult to prove who is who. I'm just trying to go by other sources, i.e. census records and approximate ages from death records.
I hope I am not totally wrong. :(
So, re post #7...
Who are these, then?
Dinah Moody (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=5926416&ssrc=pt&tid=84918040&pid=30510906193&usePUB=true)
George Hale (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=3514885&ssrc=pt&tid=84918040&pid=30510906194&usePUB=true)
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kiterunner
13-01-16, 14:28
I should think that the George Hale in your post #11 is the right George Hale, and that Dinah Moody is someone who is not the same person as Diana Watmore / Page.
So, re post #7...
Who are these, then?
Dinah Moody (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=5926416&ssrc=pt&tid=84918040&pid=30510906193&usePUB=true)
George Hale (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=3514885&ssrc=pt&tid=84918040&pid=30510906194&usePUB=true)
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Your George Hale and a woman called Dinah Moody? :D
What was your source for Dinah's maiden surname?
Okay, I was just a bit confused, as I thought you may be suggesting that they were the same people, even though I'd found baptism records for them both. This George Page and Dinah Whatmore are a different couple, then. What is the significance?
Dinah Moody is from the same area and a similar age, and I thought I'd been able to trace her from the census records as being George's wife, but was unable to find a marriage entry for them. I reserve the right to be wrong about this, though, as I have not bought any certificates for them.
I think Kate and I both separately came to the same conclusion you have the wrong Dinah because the 1861 household has Page children in it, suggesting the mother is Dinah Watmore not Dinah Moody. What is your source for Dinah's maiden surname?
So what happened, then? George Page died and his widow shacked up with George Hale, but they never married?
I wonder if this is him?
Deaths Jun 1857
Page George Hartley Wintney 2c 99
That's the same district George and Dinah died in.
So, let's try to find out a bit more about this Dinah Whatmore, and perhaps see what became of Dinah Moody (if we're discounting her).
No, they married in 1854 - see the post where I copied the two entries for George and missed off the one for Dinah (post #5) which Kate pointed out a couple of posts later (post #8).
I think this is probably Dinah in 1841!
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1841&so=2&pcat=35&gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsfn=din*&gsfn_x=1&gsln=w*tmore&gsln_x=1&mswpn__ftp_x=1&gskw_x=1&_83004002_x=1&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&MSAV=2&uidh=672
Ah, so perhaps this is George Page:
Page George Basingstoke 2c 103
Ah, so perhaps this is George Page:
Page George Basingstoke 2c 103
If it's before the remarriage then it looks good.
If it's before the remarriage then it looks good.Haha, oops, sorry. Yes, it's Deaths Jun 1853.
I can't find a baptism for Dinah, but we now have her in 1841, marriage to George Page in 1850, 1851 as Mrs Page, marriage to George Hale in 1854 and as Mrs Hale after that, so looking hopeful......
Here's the George and Martha she was with in 1841 on the 1851 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1681_1681-0016?pid=3515707&backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f%2fcg i-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26gss%3da ngs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dgeorge%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dw*tm*%26gsln_x %3d1%26mswpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw%3dnatel*y%26gskw_x% 3d1%26_83004002_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbu cket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3d672%26pcat%3d35%26 fh%3d0%26h%3d3515707%26recoff%3d6%2b7%26ml_rpos%3d 1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true
If George Whatmore is her father, Martha seems to be a stepmother:
First name(s) GEORGE
Last name WHATMORE
Marriage year 1835
Marriage day 3
Marriage month May
Place NATELY SCURES
Groom's first name George
Groom's last name Whatmore
Bride's first name Martha
Bride's last name Dibley
So we still think the Dinah Hale who died in 1895 in this Dinah Whatmore? The rest hasn't changed? Similar age, etc.?
Here's her baptism with mum Amelia! (don't you just love it when they are not called Mary or Ann or Elizabeth!)
First name(s) DIANA
Last name WATMORE
Birth year 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism day 17
Baptism month Aug
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) George
Second parent first name(s) Amelia
Parish NATELY SCURES
So we still think the Dinah Hale who died in 1895 in this Dinah Whatmore? The rest hasn't changed? Similar age, etc.?
Yes!
There seem to be two George Pages of that age in the Newnham/Basingstoke area in 1851, so I suppose the two aforementioned deaths are them.
Now I'm wondering if Amelia is a mistranscription as I don't see any other baps or a marriage for George to Amelia.
On the 1841 census posted earlier there was another child, Thomas aged 10, with George and Margaret. I looked for a possible baptism for him and found one with mother Miriam Marie in 1831 at Nately Scures. I know I saw a marriage for George to a Miriam Marie! *goes back to look*
Looks like George was married three times at least!
First name(s) GEORGE
Last name WATMORE
Marriage year 1816
Marriage day 3
Marriage month Aug
Place OLD BASING
Groom's first name George
Groom's last name Watmore
Bride's first name Miriam Maria
Bride's last name Young
Groom's notes Widower
I expect this is Dinah's mother. You would need to get a look at the PR image for her 1829 baptism to see if it says Amelia or Miriam! lol
First name(s) MIRIAM
Last name WATMORE
Age 40
Birth year 1792
Death year 1832
Death day 23
Death month Feb
Burial year 1832
Parish Nately Scures
County Hampshire
Country England
Notes Miriam Maria
Thanks, Merry.
I've changed her surname to Whatmore, added the correct 1841 and 1851 census records and added the 1854 marriage record. Have you been able to find her baptism on Ancestry by any chance? I'd like to add that as a source if possible.
No that c/p (post #27) was from fmp.
Thank you both so much for your help. Another mystery solved. :)
Can anyone find George Page's death on Ancestry?
PAGE, GEORGE 26
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in BASINGSTOKE Volume 02C Page 103
I've tried searching volume and page, but no luck.
There's no need to read through any of this thread; I'm simply trying to find his death so I can use it as a source on my tree.
I don't think it's on there and nor is the image.
Ancestry only has one Page death for that Q, so presumably the transcriptions were incomplete on FreeBMD for that part of the alphabet when ancestry took on their data.
Okay, thanks again Merry.
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