Inkermann Henry Wells

[Merry]

I shouldn't be posting this yet, because I haven't finished looking myself, but have to go out and need to sort this by lunchtime!

Inkermann Henry Wells - I have birth, census etc up until 1891 when he is here (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1891&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsfn=harry&gsfn_x=1&gsln=wells&gsln_x=1&mswpn__ftp_x=1&gskw=richmond&gskw_x=1&_83004002_x=1&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&MSAV=2&uidh=672&pcat=35&fh=0&h=18214427&recoff=&ml_rpos=1). I'm not convinced he and Ellen were married as I can't find anything. Inkermann was usually listed as Henry or Harry on the census and he was born 5th Nov 1854 at High Wycombe Bucks, though I think he's said Eton (the family lived there for a while) more than once for his place of birth.

I just need to know what happened to him.

I've just discovered he had a daughter (don't know if there were any further children after Mabel):


Births Sep 1891
WELLS Mabel Maud M Richmond,S. 2a 390

and this dau married in 1911, at which time Harry was dec'd:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/4779/40815_1831101883_0968-00036/7097577?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dsurreymarriages%26so%3d2%26pc at%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dmabel%2bmaud%2b%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dwells %26gsln_x%3d1%26mswpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw_x%3d1%26_8 3004002_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3dr stp%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3d672&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

I haven't been able to instantly find Mabel in 1891 or 1911 to potentially help me with sorting out which death is Inkermann's. Discovering the identity of Ellen would be a nice bonus.

People are waiting for me so must dash!

[kiterunner]

For reference, this is the transcription of the 1891 census entry:

No 3 Westcombe Ter, Ashley Rd, Richmond, Surrey
Henry Wells Lodger M 38 Painter & Decorator Bucks Eton
Ellen Do Wife M 21 Middlesex, Hammersmith

Here is Mabel in 1911:
1911 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_03520_0167_03/42151131?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3d1911England%26 rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwells%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msb dy%3d1896%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gskw%3drichmond%26gskw_x %3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F0006301%257c_F0006301_x%252c_F00 05DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%252c_83004005%257c_83004005_ x%252c_83004006%257c_83004006_x%252c_F0006866%257c _F0006866_x%252c_F0006867%257c_F0006867_x%252c_F00 05DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%252c_F0006300%257c_F0006300_ x%252c_F000686E%257c_F000686E_x%252c_F800686D%257c _F800686D_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5%26gl%3d%26gst %3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dBEEZmZkIgAAJMABhER M-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

163 Elm Road, Kingston on Thames, Surrey
Thomas William Sargeant Head 34 M Labourer Kingston Surry
Alice Sargeant Wife 33 M 16 yrs 8 children, 4 living, 4 died Laundress Kingston Surry
Thomas Alfred Sargeant Son 15 Plumber (Assistant) Kingston Surry
Frederick George Sargeant Son 14 Errand Boy Kingston Surry
Alice Emily Sargeant Daughter 13 School Kingston Surry
Lily Maud Sargeant Daughter 5 School Kingston Surry
Mabel Maud Melinda Wells Boarder 19 Single Laundress Richmond Surrey

[kiterunner]

I don't know whether this is the same family, but I found the baptism of a Gertrude Ruth Wells 12 Jun 1898 at St John, Richmond, Surrey, born 8th May, parents Harry Richard & Emily Ellen Wells of Shaftesbury Cottage, Shaftesbury Road, father's occupation House Decorator.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/4772/40761_312068-00371/1092946?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3dSurreyBaptisms %26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3 dangs-d%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwells%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msb dy%3d1891%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msfng0%3dh*r*y%26msfng0_ x%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d10%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%2 6hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dBEELPyAIgAASpAAK95M-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[kiterunner]

Here are Emily Ellen and Gertrude Ruth in 1911:
1911 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_07465_0111_03/40873475?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dgertrude %2bruth%26gsln%3dwells%26mswpn__ftp%3dRichmond%252 c%2bSurrey%252c%2bEngland%26mswpn%3d1677712%26mswp n_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5286%257c1677712%257c0%257c%26MSAV%3d1%26msbdy% 3d1898%26msfng%3dharry%26msmng%3dellen%2bemily%26c pxt%3d1%26cp%3d4%26catbucket%3drstp%26pcat%3dROOT_ CATEGORY%26h%3d40873475%26db%3d1911England%26indiv %3d1%26ml_rpos%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord)

Hertford
James Bradford Head 54 Widower 3 children, 3 living, Waiter Little Munden
James Bradford Son 24 Single Tennis Stringer Hertford Heath
Emily Ellen Wells Sister 42 Widow married 3 years, 1 child, 1 living, House Keeper Hertford
Gertrude Ruth Wells Daughter 12 School Richmond
William Bradford Brother 30 Single Carman Hertford

And the parents' marriage is 1897 at Ware, Harry Richard Wells and Emily Ellen Bradford.

So looks like a red herring. Sorry!

Just thought I would add Harry Richard Wells' death reg, Jul-Sep 1899 Richmond, age 48, which does fit pretty well with your Henry on that 1891 census entry. I don't see a birth reg for Harry Richard Wells with a very quick search.

[kiterunner]

Still working on the probable red herring - FamilySearch has the marriage of Harry Richard Wells and Emily Ellen Bradford in 1897 at Great Amwell, Hertford, Harry age 40 with father's name Richard Wells, Emily age 29 with father's name George Bradford.

Your Inkermann's father is called Richard on the 1861 census, so I'm starting to think this may not be a red herring after all!

[kiterunner]

This looks like Emily Ellen in 1901 but no children with her:
1901 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/HRTRG13_1277_1281-0743/7522938?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1901%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3demily%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwells%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1868%26msbdy_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d _F00079A7%257c_F00079A7_x%252c_F0005DFC%257c_F0005 DFC_x%252c_83004006%257c_83004006_x%252c_F0005DFB% 257c_F0005DFB_x%252c_F0007AD6%257c_F0007AD6_x%252c _F0006867%257c_F0006867_x%252c_F0005C4F%257c_F0005 C4F_x%252c_F0005E11%257c_F0005E11_x%252c_F0005906% 257c_F0005906_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d10%26gl%3d% 26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d110%26fsk%3dBEDmZmYIgAAe hgG2mkc-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
High Street, Hoddesden, Herts
John E B Wells Head S 32 Physician & Surgeon London
Emily E Do Serv Wid 32 Cook - Housekeeper Herts Hertford
Annie Young Do S 25 Housemaid Herts Hoddesden

[kiterunner]

Gertrude (Gerty) is a niece to the Young family in Hoddesden in 1901, but Mabel isn't with them so I still don't know whether it is a red herring or not:

1901 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/HRTRG13_1277_1281-0809/7524626?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1901%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dw%253flls%26gsln_x%3dXO%2 6msbpn__ftp%3dRichmond%252c%2bSurrey%252c%2bEnglan d%26msbpn%3d1677712%26msbpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5286%257c1677712%257c0%257c%26msbpn_x%3dXO%26ms bpn__ftp_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F00079A7%257c_F00079A7_ x%252c_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%252c_83004006%257c _83004006_x%252c_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x%252c_F00 07AD6%257c_F0007AD6_x%252c_F0006867%257c_F0006867_ x%252c_F0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x%252c_F0005E11%257c _F0005E11_x%252c_F0005906%257c_F0005906_x%26uidh%3 dvm5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d40%26fsk%3d BEEZmZkIgAAehgG2xi8-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[kiterunner]

Just realised the image of that 1897 marriage is on FMP:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fhert%2f004948113%2f00515&parentid=gbprs%2fm%2f73029111%2f1&highlights=%22%22

Harry's father is a butcher.

[Merry]

Just realised the image of that 1897 marriage is on FMP:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fhert%2f004948113%2f00515&parentid=gbprs%2fm%2f73029111%2f1&highlights=%22%22

Harry's father is a butcher.

I just got back!

My Harry's father was Richard, as you said, plus, though he never seems to actually do the job of a butcher, that is the trade given on Richard's marriage and death certs!!

So, probably not a red herring!!

Do you think Hertford Herts and Hammersmith might have been confused due to dodgy handwriting?!

[Merry]

Thanks Kate, apart from still not finding Mabel in 1901, they are now sorted.

The death for Harry Richard was on my shortlist from 2008(!) but until now I'd not got past 1891 with this family. I'm not surprised Harry varied his forenames - the whole family seem to have done this!

Thanks again for your help.

[kiterunner]

Thanks Kate, apart from still not finding Mabel in 1901, they are now sorted.



Don't speak too soon! When I went out shopping I realised I hadn't looked for Emily Ellen in 1891 in case she wasn't Ellen Wells, and here she is:

1891 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/hrtrg12_1091_1093-0522/25013547?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1891%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dem*l*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dbr* d*f*d%26gsln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dh%253frt*%26gskw_x%3d 1%26dbOnly%3d_F00079A7%257c_F00079A7_x%26dbOnly%3d _F0007B58%257c_F0007B58_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007EC5%257 c_F0007EC5_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x% 26dbOnly%3d_F0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x%26dbOnly%3d_F 0005E11%257c_F0005E11_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005906%257c_ F0005906_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007EC6%257c_F0007EC6_x%26 uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Great Amwell, Hertfordshire: Emily E Bradford, Serv, S 23, Nurse, Domestic Serv, Herts Hertford.

[Merry]

Hmmmm, is the problem only that she isn't the mother of Mabel?

Would explain the Hammersmith/Hertford issue.

[Merry]

I had thought when she said one child b, on the census in 1911, she had said that because Mabel wasn't born during the deration of her marriage, but if she wasn't Mabel's mother.......

[Merry]

So, where is Mabel in 1901? That might solve the problem!

[kiterunner]

I've looked for her but no luck yet.

[Merry]

Me too.

[Phoenix]

Can't follow this up, as I'm at work, but Mabel Wells aged 8 b West Hampstead is in an orphanage in Islington. Could she have been abandoned by her mother in Hampstead? Or is there another Mabel?

[kiterunner]

There is a Mabel Florence L Wells birth registered Oct-Dec 1892 Hampstead so I should think she is the one in the orphanage.

[Merry]

That Mabel might be this one, Phoenix:


Births Dec 1892
Wells Mabel Florence L Hampstead 1a 631

Will check further though.....thanks

[Merry]

Yeh, I've found Ellen, mother of Mabel Maud Melinda Wells!

I looked at entries for girls named Mabel b Richmond in 1892+/-1 on the 1901 census and worked through them looking at mother's details (looking for Ellen, b 1870/71 Hammersmith) and whether each Mabel could be found in 1911 for elimination purposes. Only had to research two people before I came to this one:

1901 census:

24 Shortland Road, Kingston on Thames

James Martin head m 38 drover, b Surrey, Addlestone
Helen Martin wife m 33 b London, Notting Hill
Mabel Martin dau 9 b Surrey Richmond

Spend a few minutes looking at the wrong things first, but eventually found this:

Marriages Sep 1899

Marshall Emma Jane Kingston 2a 858
Martin James Kingston 2a 858
Moffatt William Kingston 2a 858
Stone Helen Melinda Kingston 2a 858

and this:

Births Jun 1869
Stone Ellen Melinda Kensington 1a 114

There's a possible Ellen M Stone aged 2 in 1871 b Notting Hill and Living in Hammersmith with her parents Henry and Eliza. Later censuses show a couple of younger siblings born in Kingston.

In 1911 James Martin is at 16 Hudson Road, Kinston, aged 50 b Hersham, Surrey and with a new wife, Eleanor Elizabeth aged 32 b Surbiton, married 2 years, no children. I think it's him (loads of James Martins about) as he's still a drover and still in Kingston.

Here's Mabel's mother's death reg:

Deaths Sep 1909
MARTIN Helen Melinda 39 Kingston 2a 197

I've not been able to fond a marriage between James Martin and Eleanor Elizabeth as yet.