William Dobson

[vita]

I'm afraid I know very little about this one.

Name - "official" name and what they were known as

William Dobson

Date and place of birth

Unknown (possibly Islington area,1830s)

Names of parents

Unknown

Date and place of baptism - if applicable

Unknown

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any

Mary Ann Taylor (daughter Mary Ann Dobson m William Adderson Pearson

1859)

Occupation(s) - if any

Unknown

Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or

haven't found him/her on

Lived London, probably Islington area. Not traced on any census.

Date and place of burial/cremation

Unknown

Details of will/administration of their estate - if applicable

Unknown

Memorial inscription - if any

Unknown

[kiterunner]

Vita, have you got a copy of William and Mary Ann's marriage certificate? If so, doesn't it give William Dobson's occupation? There is a public tree on ancestry which doesn't actually have an image of the marriage cert but gives the date as 16 Mar 1859 at Islington Register Office, with Mary Ann's address given as 5 St James Crescent. The Pearsons are at that address on the 1861 census although the surname looks like Barson (I've posted a link on your William Adderson Pearson thread).

The same tree on ancestry gives William Dobson's occupation as ladies' shoemaker with a date of 15 Mar 1859, so I assume it comes from Mary Ann's marriage certificate.

I'll have a look for him later as I have to go out just now.

[kiterunner]

One of the public trees on ancestry has this as the 1841 census entry for your Dobsons:

1841 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_664_665-0560/7076785?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1841%26h%3d7076785%26ti%3d 5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t4805826 7_p20336476569_kpidz0q3d20336476569z0q26pgz0q3d327 68z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t48058267_p20336476569_kpidz0q3d2033647656 9z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord)

Payn St, St Mary Islington West
William Dobson 45(?) Shoemaker Y
Mary Ann Do 32 Do Binder Y
Mary Ann Do 2 Y

And they have this as your Mary Ann jr in 1851, but of course we would need to try to verify this somehow:
1851 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/MDXHO107_1499_1499-0746/1860329?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26h%3d1860329%26ti%3d 5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t4805826 7_p20336476569_kpidz0q3d20336476569z0q26pgz0q3d327 68z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t48058267_p20336476569_kpidz0q3d2033647656 9z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord)
8 Pulteney Street, Islington West
Thomas Goose Head Mar 43 Engineer & Printer Middx St George Bloomsbury
Lydia Do Wife Mar 45 Middx St Geo Han Sq
Ann Do Daur 12 Middx Islington
Thomas Do Son 6 Middx Islington
Jane Do Daur 3 Middx Islington
Mary Ann Dobson Visitor 11 Middx Islington

[kiterunner]

This could be her baptism, given the address on the 1841 census, but there is no date of birth given, just date of baptism:
11 Dec 1847 All Saints, Battle Bridge, Islington: Mary Ann, parents William & Mary Ann Dobson, 4 Payne St, Boot & Shoe Maker.

There are also these baptisms which could belong to the same family:
1 Nov 1835 St Luke Finsbury, Susanna Elizabeth dau of William & Mary Ann Dobson, Seward Street, Shoe Maker, born Aug 17th
24 Dec 1837 St Luke Finsbury, William Henry born Nov 18th, parents William & Mary Ann Dobson, 42 Seward Street, Shoe Maker

And there is a burial for William Henry Dobson, infant, 13 Jul 1838, at St James Clerkenwell, abode Payne St, White Conduit Fields.

[Merry]

The William Dobson from that 1841 census is still at Payn(e) St (Number 2) in 1851.

William Dobson wid 57 cordwainer b Somerstown (living alone)

and in 1861 this may be him too:

William Dobson wid 65 shoemaker b do not know

That second one is recorded as St George East Industrial School in East Ham, Essex, but think that may be the pages before this one.

[Merry]

That second one is recorded as St George East Industrial School in East Ham, Essex, but think that may be the pages before this one.

Having said that, the head of "household" is a superintendent of schools, so perhaps it is a school?

[kiterunner]

Mary Ann Dobson buried 24 Nov 1850 St Mary, Islington, abode Payne Street, age 42. Would explain why Mary Ann jr is a visitor with another family in 1851.

[kiterunner]

If you know for sure that your Mary Ann's mother's maiden name was Taylor, then this could be the marriage:
London marriages on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_195014-00198/2298540?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dlmamarriages%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dROOT_CATEGORY%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d 1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dwil*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3ddobson%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26msgdy%3d1826%26msgdy_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1% 26catBucket%3drt%26uidh%3dvm5%26msgdp%3d10%26cp%3d 11%26mssng0%3dmar*%2bann*%26mssng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
8 Sep 1834 St Pancras, William Dobson OTP widower & Mary Ann Taylor OTP spinster, by banns, witnesses Emma Archer and Emanuel Archer.

But if you're not sure about the name being Taylor, there are some other William Dobson / Mary Ann marriages in the area around the same time.

[Merry]

Those witnesses?


Name: Amy Emma Dobson
Spouse: Emanuel Archer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1829
Parish: St George, Bloomsbury
Borough: Camden

Witnesses John Harrison and Jane Colbom (?)

[Phoenix]

Not sure it goes anywhere: Thomas Goose was married to Lydia Gray.

[Merry]

Amy Emma Archer nee Dobson remarried to Lawrence Robinson in 1846. In 1851 she is 39 and born St Pancras.

Not much help as I can't find baps for Amy Emma or William in the right place to see if they could be siblings.

[kiterunner]

Emanuel Archer married Amy Emma Dobson 3 Aug 1829 at St George Bloomsbury, witnesses John Harrison and Jane Colson.
On the 1851 census it seems that Emma has remarried to a Laurence Robinson, shoe maker:
1851 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/MDXHO107_1518_1519-0157/16522652?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dms_r_db %26gsfn%3dem*n*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3darcher%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x%26d bOnly%3d_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000 5C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005E11%257c_F00 05E11_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005906%257c_F0005906_x%26dbO nly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005D FD%257c_F0005DFD_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0006301%257c_F0006 301_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0006867%257c_F0006867_x%26uidh% 3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Emma is age 39, born Pancras.
The marriage comes up on FreeBMD - Jul-Sep 1846 St Giles district, Lawrence Robinson and Amy Emma Archer. But it doesn't come up in the LMA records so perhaps a register office wedding?

Just trying to find a baptism for Amy Emma to see who her parents were.

Edit - I see you got there before me, Merry! Apart from the baptism which I haven't found either...

[kiterunner]

There is a tree on ancestry with Amy Emma and both her spouses, but they evidently haven't got a copy of her second marriage cert to see who her father was.

[vita]

Thanks all - I've only just started on William & had nothing but the name of his wife,
believed to have been to Mary Ann Taylor, but I'm relying on other's research for that being correct.
So - we've got William b abt 1895 & a widower, marrying Mary Ann Taylor in 1834. They go on to have children Susanna Elizabeth 1835, William Henry 1837 - 1838, and my Mary Ann, b abt 1839.
Mary Ann (Taylor) dies 1850 aged 42, & the family has an association with the Gooses(Geese?)
Oh, and William was the Jimmy Choo of Old Islington! Great!

[vita]

Not sure it goes anywhere: Thomas Goose was married to Lydia Gray.

...... and I see they had a daughter named Tryphena Goose.

[Merry]

Thanks all - I've only just started on William & had nothing but the name of his wife,
believed to have been to Mary Ann Taylor, but I'm relying on other's research for that being correct.
So - we've got William b abt 1895 & a widower, marrying Mary Ann Taylor in 1834. They go on to have children Susanna Elizabeth 1835, William Henry 1837 - 1838, and my Mary Ann, b abt 1839.
Mary Ann (Taylor) dies 1850 aged 42, & the family has an association with the Gooses(Geese?)
Oh, and William was the Jimmy Choo of Old Islington! Great!

So you don't yet have the birth cert for Mary Ann b 1839? This looks like it:


Births Jun 1839
Dobson Mary Ann Islington 3 184


You would then have confirmation of her mmn.

[vita]

Thanks for that Merry - much appreciated.