Isaac Pinot

[Asa]

Also Pinnot, Pinet, Pinow etc

Just on the offchance that someone fancies this lot, I thought I'd ask for some help. My main question is can anyone help me identify which children belong to MY Isaac and Mary Pinot and suss a burial for Isaac.
Isaac and Mary Pinot married in 1730 at Stepney, Middlesex. Isaac was a weaver of Bethnal Green at the time and baptised in 1708 at St Jean French Church in Spitalfields, son of Isaac and Anne. He is alive in Jan 1762 when his mother-in-law makes her will. Mary was born in 1712 and died in 1775. She is mentioned in her mother's will of 1762 and her sister's of 1766. Her mother's maiden name had been Palmer.

They certainly had the following children -
Palmer- Elizabeth bapt 1731 Whitechapel. Address Masons Court, Brick Lane
Palmer (male) bapt 1732 Whitechapel. Address Masons Court, Brick Lane
James bapt 1734 Spitalfields bur 1738 Spitalfields. Address Gun Yard, Petticoat Lane
Elizabeth bapt 1737 Spitalfields (m 1760 Whitechapel)
Amey bapt 1739 Spitalfields.
Sarah bapt 1741 Whitechapel. Address Brick Lane
Mary Anne/Mary Jane bapt. 1743 Whitechapel bur 1744 Whitechapel. Address Brick Lane
Susanna bapt 1745 Whitechapel (m 1763 Spitalfields) Address Brick Lane
Martha bapt 1747 Whitechapel (m 1768 Spitalfields) Address Mountague Street
Isaac bapt 1750 Whitechapel. Address Mountague Street

A different Isaac Pinot but also weaver of St Matthew Bethnal Green - married in 1750 (Fleet Rules) Mary Beard

The following children are born to parents Isaac and Mary after 1750 -
Palmer bapt 1752 Whitechapel bur 1753 Whitechapel. Address Petticoat Lane
stillborn female bur 1753 Whitechapel
Anne bapt 1755 Spitalfields. Address 1755 Vine Court
Sarah bapt & bur 1757 Spitalfields. Address Old Mountague Street/ Corbetts Court
Joseph bapt 1761 Spitalfields. Address Christ Church Spitalfields

In June 1766, Isaac son of Isaac Pinot, victualler of Gun Yard, Petticoat Lane, is apprenticed to Palmer Pinot, Citizen and Weaver. I think this is clearly Isaac bapt 1750 being apprenticed to his brother. Isaac marries Elizabeth Beasley in 1782 and is buried at Spitalfields in 1794.

There is also Isaac Pinot bc1723 (I think probably bapt 1720 son of Jean and Anne) yet another weaver of Bethnal Green who marries widow Anne Potts in 1753 at St Katherine by the Tower.

There is an Isaac buried at Shoreditch in 1790 aged 60 and an Isaac without any details in June 1762.

A widowed Isaac Pinet marries Deborah Clavering in 1777 at Bethnal Green - I think the witness signature of another Isaac matches the signature of the Isaac apprenticed in 1766 so I suspect my Isaac survived Mary and remarried.

[kiterunner]

Sorry, I got confused at the first child's name listed! Is her name Palmer-Elizabeth Pinot?

[Asa]

Yes, Kate - I don't know what happened to her

[kiterunner]

Right, looking at her baptism her father's name is shown as Anthony but does look likely to be the same family.

[Asa]

Ah that's something I missed off. He was baptised and married as Isaac Antoine/ Anthony

[Lindsay]

Yes, Kate - I don't know what happened to her

There's a Palmer Pinnat burial, address Petticoat Lane at St Mary Whitechapel 8 April 1753?

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1624/31280_194862-00262/1531444?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLMAearlyparish%26rank%3d1%26n ew%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dms_db %26gsfn%3dpalmer%26gsln%3dpin*%26dbOnly%3d_F00058A 6%257c_F00058A6_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005A49%257c_F0005A 49_x%26uidh%3d584&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Edit: Sorry ignore that - a different generation!

[Asa]

Lindsay, that's an infant I think but I'm guessing named after elder brother?

[Lindsay]

Yes, it says she's a child.

It's such an unusual name.

[kiterunner]

I take it that Mary's mother and sister didn't mention Mary's children by name in their wills?

[kiterunner]

The exact dates for the 1750 wedding and baptism are: Isaac Pinot married Mary Beard 16 Mar 1750, Isaac Pinot, son of Isaac and Mary baptised 24 Mar 1750. Are you certain that this Isaac wasn't the son of the couple who married a few days before his baptism?

[Asa]

Only Palmer the eldest son is mentioned in the grandfather's will.

I'm not certain that Isaac 1750 isn't the son of Mary Beard - just seemed likely if he was apprenticed to Palmer and was son of Isaac of Gun Yard. But they may have been close relations and all on top of each other.

[kiterunner]

I'm just trying to come up with an explanation for the Palmer baptised in 1752 if Isaac and Mary's son Palmer born 1732 was still alive then. It seems unlikely that the other Isaac and Mary couple would name a child Palmer, or that the first Isaac and Mary would use the same name again, doesn't it? Unless the other Isaac is the son of the first Isaac, and the 1750 Isaac the grandson. But I can't find a baptism for an Isaac, son of Isaac and / or Mary, old enough to have married in 1750.

[Asa]

I'm not at pc at the moment and cant remember if the 1753 baptism was for a girl or a boy but I did wonder if they'd named him or her after the eldest children, given the age gap. Your explanation would make more sense but there doesn't seem to be anything to back it up or a space for another child unless of course Isaac senior had been married before? I'll have a look when I get back

[kiterunner]

I'm not at pc at the moment and cant remember if the 1753 baptism was for a girl or a boy

"Son of". (1752)

[Asa]

I can't see anything. I think without a will or something turning up, this is impossible

[kiterunner]

I thought I would try to find out what happened to Deborah to see if it gave any clues as to when Isaac died, but I can't find any trace of her before or after their marriage!

[Asa]

Nor me. There must be a cemetery somewhere with a lot of my East Londoners in it...as Isaac's not at Shoreditch with Mary, I suspect he might be somewhere with Deborah

[Janet]

Try some of these?

google "Isaac Pinot" (https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Isaac+Pinot%22&gws_rd=ssl)

Well, scratch that, I guess. Too many Isaac Pinots, and on second viewing I can't really point you to anything useful.

[Asa]

I haven't googled some names for a while though so that's reminded me. I think some of those from the Huguenot records clearly relate to his family. Thanks, Janet