Another Loose End .......

[vita]

I've been unable to find the connection between my Headland family & the
following person - Henry Thomas Headland b 1813, Middlesex. I feel there must be a link, as in a London trade directory of 1846 my 3xg uncle Thomas
Hughes Headland is shown at the same address - 24 Long Lane Smithfield.
Henry Thomas is definitely not a sibling - Thomas Hughes did have a brother Henry, but that was my 2xg grandfather Henry William, an Islington dyer & scourer. Henry Thomas is an oil & colourman.
Henry Thomas's parents are shown as John & Ann & I haven't come across them in my research either. He also had a sister named Ann.
I've traced Henry T, his wife, & two daughters who remain unmarried,through the censuses (the 1861 census says he was b Chelsea)but nothing rings a bell.
I suppose it could be a coincidence that two Headlands were sharing the same premises in 1846, but I wouldn't have thought it was that common a name.
Thomas Hughes's father was Thomas Headland b Uxbridge 1786, whose parentage is by no means certain, so anything linking us to Henry Thomas might just help to make that picture a little clearer, too.
Can anyone offer any suggestions or pinpoint something I may have missed?

[kiterunner]

On the PR image, the baptism for Henry Thomas Headland says born 14 Oct 1812, baptised 22 Nov 1813 at St James, Westminster, parents John and Anne. He had a brother John baptised the same day, born 9 Aug 1809. Abode Pall Mall, father's occupation Servant.
Then Ann was baptised 6 Jun 1817 at St Mary, Marylebone, date of birth 4 Jun 1817. Father's occupation just says Trade.

This looks like the parents' marriage (second entry on left hand page):
London Marriages and Banns (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31547_212683-00249/10104690?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dlmamarriages%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3d34%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d 2%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3djohn%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dh*d*l*nd*%2 6gsln_x%3dXO%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh% 3dvm5%26cp%3d11%26mssng0%3dann*%26mssng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
St George Hanover Square, Westminster
Marriages in May 1803
397 John Headland and Ann Stone both of this Parish were married in this Church by Banns this fourteenth day of May in the year 1803 by me Tho Nicholas Curate. This Marriage was Solemnized between us John Headland Ann Stone In the presence of John Stoner Mary Ann Morris

[kiterunner]

These could be the parents in 1841:
1841 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_670_671-0147/15300651?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1841%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3djohn%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dh*d*l*nd*%2 6gsln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F000391C%257c_F000391C_x% 252c_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x%252c_F000303A%257c_F 000303A_x%252c_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%252c_F0002 996%257c_F0002996_x%252c_F000303D%257c_F000303D_x% 252c_F000303E%257c_F000303E_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26gl%3d %26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d20%26fsk%3dBEEGZmYIgAAj EgBU7oU-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Red Lion St, St Andrew Holborn, Middlesex
John Headland 75 Messenger N
Anne Do 65 N

[vita]

Thanks Kite - churches named much used by my Headlands, but that could be a coincidence too.

[kiterunner]

There is a burial 19 Sep 1847 at St Mary, Paddington Green: John Headland age 82, abode Little North Street, St Marylebone.
London Burials (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1559/31280_197465-00586/8587712?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dann*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dh*d*l*nd*%2 6gsln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x% 252c_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%252c_F0005C4F%257c_F 0005C4F_x%252c_F0005E11%257c_F0005E11_x%252c_F0005 906%257c_F0005906_x%252c_83004006%257c_83004006_x% 252c_F0005DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%252c_F0006301%257c_F 0006301_x%252c_F0006867%257c_F0006867_x%26uidh%3dv m5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dBE EGZmYIgAAinABfiZA-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
And Anne is at 31 Little North Street in 1851, widow, age 75, House Keeper, born Hants Hartley Wintney.
1851 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/MDXHO107_1491_1491-0048/3191857?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dann*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dh*d*l*nd*%2 6gsln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x% 252c_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%252c_F0005C4F%257c_F 0005C4F_x%252c_F0005E11%257c_F0005E11_x%252c_F0005 906%257c_F0005906_x%252c_83004006%257c_83004006_x% 252c_F0005DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%252c_F0006301%257c_F 0006301_x%252c_F0006867%257c_F0006867_x%26uidh%3dv m5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d20%26fsk%3dBE EGZmYIgAAinABfikg-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

John's birth should be around 1765 if his age at death is accurate. Shame we don't have a place of birth for him!

[vita]

Isn't it just! Can't really believe 1846 is a coincidence.

[kiterunner]

I wonder whether these children (from FamilySearch) belong to the same couple as above? Froyle is not far from Hartley Wintney.
Susannah Headland baptised 24 Jun 1804 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann
Susanna Headland baptised 23 Feb 1806 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann
William Headland baptised 1806 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann.

They would fill in the gap between the John Headland / Ann Stone marriage in 1803 and the birth of John jr in 1809.

Also, I wonder whether John sr had another wife before Ann, as he would have been about 38 in 1803. The marriage to Ann didn't state whether he was a widower.

[vita]

I wonder whether these children (from FamilySearch) belong to the same couple as above? Froyle is not far from Hartley Wintney.
Susannah Headland baptised 24 Jun 1804 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann
Susanna Headland baptised 23 Feb 1806 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann
William Headland baptised 1806 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann.

They would fill in the gap between the John Headland / Ann Stone marriage in 1803 and the birth of John jr in 1809.

Also, I wonder whether John sr had another wife before Ann, as he would have been about 38 in 1803. The marriage to Ann didn't state whether he was a widower.

Thanks Kite - interesting. I've never come across a Hampshire connection

with mine, but it does look like Henry T's family.

I noticed the gap too. Perhaps late marriage is a Headland trait - I see both

Henry T & sister Ann were still unmarried in 1851. And my father was 38 when

he married!

[Shona]

I can't find Henry Thomas Headland and Thomas Hughes Headland recorded at the same address.

In the 1841 census, Henry Thomas headland was at Long Lane while Thomas Hughes Headland was at Great Sutton Street.

I can find Freedom of the Cit of London papers from 1841 for Henry Thomas Headland, oilman, of Long Lane, Smithfield, son of John Headland, Red Lion Street, Holborn. [In his will, John Headland is referred to as John Headland the elder.]

1843 directory
Headland, Edward, surgeon, 32 Guildford Street, Russell Sq
Headland, Henry T, oil and colourman, 24 Long Lane, W Smithfield
Headland, Thomas H, silversmith and polisher, 13 Great Sutton St, Clerkenwell
Headland, Wm, homeopathic chemist, 15 Princes St, Hannover Sq

The 1844, 1845 and 1847 Land Tax records have Henry Thomas Headland at Long Lane.

The next directory that I can find is from 1848. The two Headlands in question are at their respective properties - Long Lane and Great Sutton Street.

1848 directory
Headland, Edward, surgeon, 32 Guildford Street, Russell Square
Headland, George Welsh, beer retailer, 38 Cannon St road
Headland, Henry T, oil and colourman, 24 Long Lane, Smithfield
Headland, Thomas H, silversmith and polisher, 13 Great Sutton Street
Headland, William, homeopathic chemist, 15 Princes St, Hannover Sq and 63 Hannover St, Edinburgh
Headland, William, tailor, 43 Chapel Street, Somers town

Do you have the details of the 1846 directory, Vita?

As the 1843 and 1848 directories both record Henry T and Thomas H at separate addresses, perhaps the 1846 edition can be attributed to a typographical error. This could easily be done given that Thomas H is listed after Henry Thomas and the two have the same initials.

[Shona]

...and the appearance of William Headland at Chapel Street, Somers Town, confirms the location of Chapel Street - the topic of a thread a few days ago.

[vita]

...and the appearance of William Headland at Chapel Street, Somers Town, confirms the location of Chapel Street - the topic of a thread a few days ago.

Didn't want to throw William the tailor into the mix, but as you've done so .....

he's from yet ANOTHER family of Headlands in Chapel St at the same time as

mine!!!!

I was in contact some time ago with their family researcher but couldn't link

them up either, even though they came from Uxbridge, as mine did.

The trade directory info was sent to me by our Maryphil, but I've also seen

it online myself. I was surprised, as 3xg uncle Thomas Hughes is my

specialist subject & I had thought he was at Gt Sutton St until he moved to

Heathcote St in the early 1850s. Your error theory makes good sense.

[Merry]

I wonder whether these children (from FamilySearch) belong to the same couple as above? Froyle is not far from Hartley Wintney.
Susannah Headland baptised 24 Jun 1804 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann
Susanna Headland baptised 23 Feb 1806 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann
William Headland baptised 1806 Froyle, Hants, parents John and Ann.

They would fill in the gap between the John Headland / Ann Stone marriage in 1803 and the birth of John jr in 1809.

Also, I wonder whether John sr had another wife before Ann, as he would have been about 38 in 1803. The marriage to Ann didn't state whether he was a widower.


I know we don't know whether Henry Thomas Headland or his father, John, are anything to do with your Headlands, but I thought I'd point out that Kate's musings as to whether the children born in Froyle were siblings of Henry Thomas, I can confirm they definitely are.

William, bap 1806, above, is on the 1851 census (b Froyle) with his wife Mary nee Lashford (from memory they married in 1829 in London with William's sister, Susannah Headland as a witness). William seems to have acquired the middle name Samuel, used at his marriage and death reg and the initial S is on the 1851 census. William Samuel d 15 Sep 1855 and there's letters of administration granted to "Henry Thomas Headland of 24 Lond Lane City of London oil and colour man the nrother of the said deceased".

It's possible Susannah Headland died in 1834 aged 30. Buried at St Mary's Paddington Green. (I don't know this is her, but couldn't find a marriage).

[vita]

Interesting, Merry thanks. Also interesting is the name Samuel. I realise its not that

uncommon, but it does crop up again just once - Thomas & Christiana's youngest son

Alfred James Samuel, b 1831.