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What site does one look up bdm for Wales?
kiterunner
28-05-14, 22:45
If you mean post-1837, then they are on FreeBMD, also depending which county, North Wales BMD:
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php
If you want parish registers, they are on Findmypast, with the images available, but I can't find a way to search all the Welsh parish registers together and nothing else; you either have to search everything or pick a county.
Thanks Kate, am doing this for someone else, I've never looked up Wales before and I only have Wales as the address. They had children in 1900 in Australia, so I guess I am looking around 1870-80. I don't even know at this stage if they married here or in Wales. Think I'm clutching at straws here! Will have to find out more information.
Thanks.
Give us some names Jood.....and I'll have a look. Need something to keep me awake for another hour or so...lol
Well Libby, I am not happy about the spelling of the surname. It was given to me as "Daved" Not sure if that is really a welsh name or not.
Gwendoline Margaret Daved was born in (NSW) in 1900 (and I can't find it)- her parents are allegedly Louis Daved and Alice Tindall. That's all I have. I don't know how long Louis & Alice were in Australia, only that they were born in Wales.
Don't do anything yet tho - want to check other computer.
What I would like to know is DAVED a Welsh surname?
Back =I just had to check where Gwendoline was born Clifton NSW
Jood.....I had a quick look...nothing jumping out, but I will look further. Maybe Daved is Davies?
Louis or Alice's death cert should have how long they were in the Australia and where they were born. It might be worth getting that.
Do you know if Alice has a second name? Found an Alice Emily Tindall born Wales.
That's the problem - I can't find either of their death certificates because I don't think Daved is right - I've looked under David, Davey etc.
So I can't tell the girl I'm doing it for, to get a death certificate is we cant find their death :(
But looks like she married someone else...
There's a tree on Ancestry but it's only got the info you have already. Could that be your friend's?
Do YOU think Daved is a welsh name?
14577/1958 DAVID LOUIS ANTHONY ANTOINE DAVIDE MARTHA MAITLAND Buy Now
102662/1980 DAVIDS EDWARD LOUIS LOUIS EDWARD FLORENCE ANNE Buy Now
29503/1960 DAVIDS LOUIS EDWARD EDWARD LOUIS JULIA SYDNEY Buy Now
20127/1957 DAVIDSON LOUIS ARCHIBALD ARCHIBALD KATE MARRICKVILLE Buy Now
13629/1981 DAVIES BERNARD LOUIS CHARLES KATHERINE JANE Buy Now
33809/1959 DAVIES LOUIS WALTER LOUIS WALTER MARY JANE MUSWELLBROOK Buy Now
9004/1954 DAVIES DAVID LOUIS DAVID BRIDGET CAMPSIE Buy Now
31096/1953 DAVIS DAVID LOUIS SAMUEL FANNY GOSFORD Buy Now
13835/1909 DAVIS LOUIS LOUIS L PRISCILLA NEW LAMBTON Buy Now
36587/1968 DAVIS LLOYD LOUIS LOUIS JESSIE CATHERINE MERRIWA Buy Now
1052/1976 DAVIS IVOR FREDRICK LOUIS LOUIS THEODORE MARGARET ANN Buy Now
26278/1959 DAVIS LOUIS LOVELL JAMES WILLIAM ELIZABETH WYONG Buy Now
1052/1976 DAVIS IVOR FREDRICK LOUIS LOUIS THEODORE MARGARET ANN Buy Now
23281/1957 DAVIS LOUIS CHARLES DAVID ARABELLA JANE GOSFORD Buy Now
55549/1972 DAVIS LOUIS STANLEY V WILLIAM CAROLINE LISMORE Buy Now
They are the only Louise Dav* I could find in NSW from 1900-1983
I rather like the look of the one in red, because the parents names are sort of different. I dont have any other name except Louis & Alice
Not sure, but David and Davies are. The Ancestry tree has
Louis Daved...born Wales, died NSW
Alice Louise David..(note the "i").has her born Wales, but marrying in 1921 in NSW, which is wrong as their source is not her at all. But they have her dying in Petersham NSW in 1942
One child...Gwendoline Margaret Daved, born 5th April 1900 NSW and dying 28 May 1968.
The owner is Isis 149.
There's a death for Alice David in Petersham 1942 and one for Louis David in Maitland 1958. They are on NSW BMDs.
The ancestry entry wouldn't have been made by this girl as she is not familiar with computers
9024/1967 DAVIES ALICE TERESA PETER JANE BLAYNEY Buy Now
4599/1984 DAVIES ALICE CATHERINE EDMUND MARY ANN Buy Now
8118/1908 DAVIES ALICE H EDWIN ELIZABETH SYDNEY Buy Now
13987/1901 DAVIES ALICE M JOHN ELIZABETH LEICHHARDT Buy Now
16736/1902 DAVIS ALICE R ANDREW EMILY YASS Buy Now
21196/1966 DAVIS MARY ALICE JOHN SARAH WALLSEND Buy Now
24740/1966 DAVIS ALICE MAY EDWARD JOHN HANNAH BALMAIN Buy Now
2344/1967 DAVIS ALICE KATE THOMAS MARGARET SYDNEY Buy Now
15682/1967 DAVIS ALICE MAUD JAMES RACHAEL ANN TAREE Buy Now
10910/1966 DAVIS ALICE MAY JOHN ALICE ELIZABETH BANKSTOWN Buy Now
201080/1983 DAVIS OLGA ALICE ELIZABETH THOMAS RACHEL Buy Now
26617/1983 DAVIS ALICE EDITH MAY WILLIAM THOMAS ANGELINA Buy Now
11924/1967 DAVIS ALICE ELDRED SARAH BURWOOD Buy Now
106334/1983 DAVIS MAUDE ALICE JOHN DUNCAN MARY JANE Buy Now
23202/1967 DAVIS ALICE MAUD EDWARD BACH MARIA CAMDEN Buy Now
107056/1983 DAVIS ALICE MADELINE EDWARD MADELINE Buy Now
12603/1966 DAVISON ALICE IRENE ISAAC LIDIA HAMILTON Buy Now
17566/1966 DAVY ALICE JOHN ANN ST LEONARDS Buy Now
28490/1977 DAWDY VIVIAN ALICE MALCOLM EARL EMILY Buy Now
566/1901 DAWKINGS ALICE HA CHARLES ELLEN R BALMAIN NORTH Buy Now
5529/1903 DAWKINS ALICE M MALCOLM F ALICE J BURWOOD Buy Now
1289/1900 DAWN ALICE FREDERICK SARAH COOTAMUNDRA Buy Now
Alice was an only child. Wonder about the highlighted one. Gwendoline the daughter, was living in Leichardt when she died. This must be right, but then Louis has a different name (David) - and I'm not happy about him dying in Maitland.
How about this Louis
9004/1954 DAVIES DAVID LOUIS DAVID BRIDGET CAMPSIE Buy Now
Campsie is near Leichardt
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Either of the deaths could be OK for Alice, (the one you picked, and the one I picked) I think Petersham is fairly close, but I think Louis Davies from Campsie would be more like him?
Gwendolyne M is registered as DAVID on her birth.
Although if the Maitland one is him, it's a few years after Alice's so maybe he retired up there...
Here's the death notice for Alice..
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/132574092?searchTerm="alice David"&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=194
Interesting they have her husband as Lew. If you look at the Louis David dying in Maitland, there are two inserts for him...one as Louis and one as Lou.
What I was thinking is that if Gwendoline was born in 1900 and was an only child, and that the Leichardt Alice Davies died in 1901 - Alice might have died after Gwendolines birth 5th April 1900.
I didnt look up Gwendoline's birth, as I was given the information that she was born 5th April 1900 at Clifton, NSW (which is between Sydney & Wollongong)
Just noticed your Ancestry message - it was from my friend, as I know she uses the name Isis - so the birth and deaths of Gwendoline are correct as she (I) have birth and death certificates - only the death cert said DAVED.
Louis Daved...born Wales, died NSW
Alice Louise David..(note the "i").has her born Wales, but marrying in 1921 in NSW, which is wrong as their source is not her at all. But they have her dying in Petersham NSW in 1942
One child...Gwendoline Margaret Daved, born 5th April 1900 NSW and dying 28 May 1968.
The owner is Isis 149.
I don't know anything about Alice & Louis marrying in 1921 - I'd have thought they would marry around 1899-1900
Libby I cant keep up with you!!!!! I'm franaticaly copying Alice's death in the paper, and there is more to come!
I think the marriage in 1921 is wrong as the names are not right on it anyway. I think it's just a mistake.
Does that Trove notice look like the correct Alice?
Ah...the marriage in 1921 is Gwen's.
Still trying to find Louis (Lou/Lew) in Trove - do you still have it?
kiterunner
29-05-14, 12:22
So Alice is Alice Louisa in the death notice, Alice Louise on the death reg, parents John and Mary Ann.
FreeBMD has no matches for the surname Daved at all. David is certainly a common surname in Wales, and the Welsh spelling would be Dafydd.
Jood, does your friend have Alice's death cert? If so, does it say when she arrived in Australia?
No, she only has Gwendoline's death certificate, and Gwendolines daughter.
Thats where I am starting from as she didn't know any more.
All we know is that they were migrants, no idea when they came to Australia.
The Trove "Alice" is definitely right - and Im trying to find that Louis David in Trove in 1958, but still looking.
Sorry Lib - I'm off to bed, am in a great deal of pain at the moment.:(
kiterunner
29-05-14, 12:34
Hope you feel better tomorrow, Jood.
Alice Louise Tindall married Frank A Liebert or Siebert 1880 Sydney.
Alice Liebert married Lewis David 1898 Woonona.
(From NSW BDM)
I think the only thing to do is buy Alice's death cert. That should have how long she was here.
I can't find any marriage for a Louis David anywhere yet.
Have a look at this...
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1898&end=1898&sq=4&eq=4&type=Marriages&vol=11a&pgno=1164&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTQwMTM2NzE1NDoxNDU5NzY4M2VkMzJmNzlhODg1NGIzOWRk M2Q4Y2U2NzkzYWMyNjVk&searchdef=given%3Dgwen%252A%26db%3Dbmd_1399917892% 26sq%3D1%26surname%3Ddavid%26end%3D1900%26type%3DM arriages%26eq%3D4%26start%3D1880&action=Find
kiterunner
29-05-14, 12:40
And there is a birth for Alice L Tindall in 1860 Liverpool, NSW, parents John and Mary A (again, from NSW BDM) and since the parents' names match her death reg and it would make her about 20 on her first marriage (see post #29), I reckon that is her and she was born in Australia after all.
Well done Kate.
Jood.....maybe the one I put up is Louis' sister. Hope you feel better tomorrow. I'm off as well.
kiterunner
29-05-14, 12:52
There is a Franz Siebert death in 1891 at Wilcannia, NSW.
Aha, and Siebert is definitely the right version, because here is Alice's marriage to Lewis David on Trove:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14131785?searchTerm=frank siebert&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=189
The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 4 Jun 1898
Marriages
DAVID-SIEBERT. - At the Wesleyan Parsonage, by the Rev F. F. Fletcher, M.A., Lewis David, second son of Philip David, Pontymister, Newport, Mon, England, to Alice, widow of the late Frank Siebert, of Blayney, New South Wales.
(Newport, Mon[mouthshire]) is actually in Wales, not England.)
Great......I can't find any Siebert children so maybe Gwen was Alice's only child.
I wonder if that Gwen Margaret David marrying in Wales was Lewis' sister.....??
Right...now I am going to bed..
Goodnight...
kiterunner
29-05-14, 13:24
This looks like the right family for Lewis David in 1871 (starts at bottom of page and the rest of the family is on the next page), as the address is Pontymister Works, but either Lewis isn't there or he is Ogley L. Mind you, I don't blame him for losing the "Ogley" if that is him!
1871 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7618/MONRG10_5350_5352-0229/26704376?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1871wales%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3d35%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d 2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dphil*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3ddavid%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3dr%26uidh%3dvm5% 26cp%3d11%26ti%3d5538&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=MONRG10_535 0_5352-0229)
Pontymister Works, Risca, Monmouthshire
Phillip David Head Mar 44 Mechanical Engineer Glamorgan Clydach
Margaret David Wife Mar 55 Glamorgan Cardiff
John T Do Son Unm 16 Engine Fitter Mon Risca
Catherine Do Daur 15 Scholar Do Do
Ogley L Do Son 11 Scholar Do Do
Frank R Do Son 9 Do Do Do
Henry P Do Son 7 Do Do Do
I'm trying to find them in 1861 to check whether there is another son but no luck at the moment.
(Edit - FMP says that part of Risca is missing from the 1861 census so I don't think we will find them.)
kiterunner
29-05-14, 13:46
Okay, Ogley Lewis David is listed on the 1936 e roll at 20 Catherine Street, Leichhardt East, with Alice Louisa David, then in 1937 they are at 24 Charles Street, Petersham.
Ogley L David arrives in NSW 24 Feb 1878 on the Lochee, age 17, labourer, native place Monmouth, religion Presbyterian, able to read and write.
Arrival NSW (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1204/IMAUS1787_081411-0042/210340?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dnswassisted%26so%3d2%26pcat%3 dROOT_CATEGORY%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1 %26MSAV%3d-1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dogley%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3ddavid%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26sbo%3d1%26catBucket%3dr%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
There is a death for Lewis Ogley David in 1939 at Marrickville, NSW, parents Philipp and Ann.
And here is his death notice on Trove:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17559470?searchTerm=lewis david alice petersham&searchLimits=dateFrom=1939-01-01|||dateTo=1939-12-31|||l-advstate=New+South+Wales|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices
The Sydney Morning Herald, Mon 20 Feb 1939
Deaths
DAVID - February 18, 1939, at Marrickville District Hospital, Lewis Ogley David (late of Clifton South Coast), beloved husband of Alice and loving father of Gwen (Mrs Dobson), aged 79 years.
Gee you are good, Kite. I am sure Jood will be stoked.
Awwww thanks Kate, I never expected someone from over there would be helping me with Australian history, I was just asking about the Welsh side. It was just the name Daved throwing me off. You have done a wonderful job thanks Kate and Libby. I will settle down and absorb all this information!
I am ok now thanks. I had taken a pain killer earlier on but the pain was so bad I got my bags ready for hospital just in case, but when I got to bed, the pain killer worked. :)
Wow *she jumps and kicks her legs together in delight*:D
Interesting they have her husband as Lew. If you look at the Louis David dying in Maitland, there are two inserts for him...one as Louis and one as Lou.
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Where did you find this Libby (the inserts) - in Trove?
Also, Jood.....maybe the one I put up is Louis' sister.
Which one?
Kate I can't thank you enough. It never occurred to me to use the Censuses, I was just trying to find his birth in Wales. You've done a great job in such a short time!!!!
Still copying notes and sorting it all out!!!!
So you reckon still get Alice's death cert, or have we got all the info now?
kiterunner
30-05-14, 09:31
I don't think you need Alice's death cert, Jood.
I thought not either, but the girl really wanted to know what her g grandmother died of- so it's up to her really.
I haven't heard back from the girl as yet, she will be amazed with what has been found!
I wonder if that Gwen Margaret David marrying in Wales was Lewis' sister.....??
Libby - Wouldn't Gwen's name have been in the 1871 census if you thought she was Lewis's (Ogley) love that name, poor Ogley - ?? - Or was she not born at that time?
No idea Jood......I didn't look but I will.
Hang on..
Can't see her with that family at all.......must be another lot.
I was going to do a lookup but didn't know what I was to look up lol
Jood.......I'll keep my comments here.....sorry, I get confused with Anzacs and here.
Phillip and Marg are together until 1891 at least. I've found them that far. I just haven't looked any further.
Who is the Ann you mentioned in Anzacs?
The Ann was mentioned in the death notice.
NSW death index
4177/1939 DAVID LEWIS OGLEY PHILIPP ANN MARRICKVILLE
I'm thinking Philip David was born around 1827 and Lewis born 1860, however, in 1851 Phillip is 24 and married - so is he married to Ann and has some other kids, and just Lewis, and then Ann dies and he marries Margaret?????
I got up to 1881, can you send me the 1891 entry of Philip & Margaret?
By the way, Henry is Lewis's brother and he also came out (don't know when), but he dies
NSW death index
2426/1936 DAVID HENRY PHILLIP father PHILIP mother ANN PETERSHAM
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Saturday 14 March 1936
DAVID-The Relatives and friends of Mr and Mrs LEWIS DAVID and Mr and Mrs HARRY DOBSON and FAMILY are Invited to attend the Funeral of their beloved BROTHER and UNCLE Henry P David to leave his late residence 21 Catherine street Leichhardt THIS AFTERNOON at 3 o clock for the Crematorium Rookwood
Sounds like Henry never married. Ooops Ann is Ann Petersham.
By the way Lewis came out VIC unassisted passenger lists
DAVID OGLEY LEWIS aged 26 APR 1886 ship POTOSI as well as coming out aged 17 24 Feb 1878 on the Lochee
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