Cannot locate a death or location on the 71 census

[BlueSavannah]

Hi,

I am currently looking at Faith Eliza Cutts who was born in 1840 in Sheffield. She was the daughter of Matthew Cutts, Sawyer, & Faith Cockayne.

Faith married a man named Joseph Eggington on the 1st December 1863 at St Philips, Shalesmoor, Sheffield. His occupation is listed as a Solider H.Ms 84th Regt.

She marries again at the same church on the 22nd April 1867 to a James Dockerty/Docherty. James is also a Solider but no further info is given on the marriage entry.

Faith is listed as a widow on the 2nd marriage but I have been unable to locate a death for Joseph Eggington. They had a child named Clara Louise Eggington who was born in Sheffield in 1864.

I have also been unable to locate Faith, her 2nd husband, Clara Eggington or any Dockerty children on the 1871 census. I am wondering if they could have possibly been in Ireland at the time of this census as James gives his birth place as Ireland on the 1891 census. However, he states his birth place is Birmingham on the 81 and 1901 censuses. They have a child named John Dockerty who was born in 1867 in Sheffield according to census.

I am also wondering if because both the husbands were soldiers, could it be that Joseph Eggington died somewhere abroad, therefore I cannot locate a death for him. Also, could the family be abroad somewhere in 71 to why I cannot locate them at all.

If anyone can see anything that I cannot, I would really appreciate some assistance.

Many thanks in advance.

[kiterunner]

There are a few Joseph Egginton death registrations between 1863 and 1867, mostly in the West Midlands. Have you ruled those out? And yes, he could have died abroad.

There is a birth registration for John Docherty Jul-Sep 1867 Sheffield, vol 9c p 379. His birth certificate might give more details of James's regiment etc. There are lots of James Dochertys and Dockertys in the service records on findmypast but none that obviously match, but we might be able to pick him out with more info.

[kiterunner]

Could this be Clara in 1871?

Cecil Road, Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield

William Oldfield Temperton Head Marr 39 Steel Converter Lincolnshire Belton
Ann Do Wife Marr 35 Yorkshire Sheffield
Clara Egginton Niece 7 Scholar Do Do
Joseph Hopewell Lodger Unmd 35 Labourer Nottinghamshire Mansfield
Samuel Baglay Do Unmd 33 Do Northamptonshire ???

ancestry 1871 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/WRYRG10_4673_4676-0040/28359078?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26rank%3d0%26gsfn%3dclar *%26gsln%3d%26sx%3d%26f1%3d%26f2%3d%26f4%3d%26f18_ _n%3d%26f12__n%3d%26rg_81004011__date%3d1864%26rs_ 81004011__date%3d2%26f27%3d%26f14%3d%26f15%3dshef* %26_8000C002%3d%26_80008002%3d%26_80018002%3d%26f7 %3d%26f8%3d%26f9%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26db%3duk i1871%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-d%26pcat%3d35%26fh%3d123%26h%3d28359078%26recoff%3 d%26fsk%3d%26bsk%3dCIAAHcMAXpeL%26pgoff%3d&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord)

[kiterunner]

Oh, I see there is a Clara Ethel Temperton Egginton born 1863, so that one I found in 1871 is not the Clara you're looking for.

[Shona]

There are also lots of service records for men named James Doherty (another variant) on FMP.

It could be that Faith was with James.

My OH's great-grandmother was with her soldier husband from when they married until he was discharged to pension...and they appeared on just one census when he was posted to Dover Castle.

[BlueSavannah]

Hi Kite/Shona,

I think the John Docherty born Sheffield in 1867 is the right one. I wish I could afford to get his birth cert but i've just had a baby and money is tight at moment. I will get this one in the future though.

I do have a feeling that Faith, Clara and John are with James in 1871 but its where. I have a feeling they could be abroad. James' occupation on the 81, 91 and 1901 censuses is a watchman.

Yes, I noticed there is another Clara Eggington who was born in Sheffield in 1863.

[JBee]

It was quite common for a soldier's widow to marry another soldier in the regiment at that time. Two of mine did it in 1861.

The 84th Regiment was stationed at Hillsborough in 1860 and at Ashton under Lyne up to 1867. (don't know exact years). I googled 84th Regiment of Foot to see if I could find their history.

186o

Manchester FC club was founded. Many players from Manchester's had played in the match in Liverpool in three years earlier, why Manchester did not form at the same date is unknown!

Richard Sykes was the first captain but owing to a lack of opposition they only played 2 or 3 games a year. Sykes trained players on the Western Cricket ground, Pendleton assisted by Major White of the 84th regiment of foot, then garrisoned at Ashton-under-lyne and other Rugbeians. He remained captain until 1867 by which time a home ground has been established in Whalley Range.

this is the link

http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/timeline1860s.htm

and these for 2 obituaries in 1860 for Lt Lambert of the 84th

http://www.chrishobbs.com/georgelambert1858.htm

http://occursus.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/project-reflections-17/



There is this memorial in Hillsborough though it doesn't mention the 84th - it said they were recruiting around Sheffield.

[BlueSavannah]

Hi Julie,

Thank you for the information, it is really interesting. Hillsborough is interesting and makes perfect sense as Faith gave Infirmary Road as her address on both marriages and Infirmary Road is in Hillsborough.

I didn't know it was common for a soldier's widow to marry another soldier at that time.

If I remember rightly, there is still a place called Hillsborough Barracks in Sheffield but even though it looks like a Barracks on the outside, the inside is a Morrisons and a few other shops.

[Shona]

The 84th Reg of Foot returned to the UK in 1859 after about 15 years in India. The next 23 years saw postings to Ireland, Canada and the Channel Islands. In 1882, they were involved in action in Egypt. By then, they were known as the 2nd Battalion Yorks and Lancs Regiment.