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Rick
03-05-13, 13:02
I'm tracing a sideshoot forwards in time and I'm stuck on Edward Searle who was baptised in Hertford in 1817, parents Francis Benjamin Searle and Mary (nee Mason). He is easy enough to find from 1861 onwards until his death in 1887, but I can't find him in 1841 or 1851.

Edward (batchelor) married Mary Burroughs (spinster) in 1855 in Islington, so only son Francis was born after this.


1861 piece 132, folio 65, page 4 - 13, Charlotte Street, Islington

SEARLE, Edward Head Married M 43 1818 Town Traveller Hertfordshire
SEARLE, Mary Wife Married F 39 1822 Wiltshire
SEARLE, Edward Son M 16 1845 Apprentice Chelsea
SEARLE, Marian Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar Berkshire
SEARLE, William Son M 9 1852 Scholar London
SEARLE, Charles Son M 7 1854 Scholar London
SEARLE, Francis Son M 4 1857 London


1871 piece 259, folio 74, page 5 - 13, Charlotte Street, Islington

SEARLE, Edward Head M 55 1816 Hertfordshire
SEARLE, Mary Wife F 47 1824 Wiltshire
SEARLE, Mary Daughter F 22 1849 Buckinghamshire
SEARLE, William Son M 19 1852 Middlesex
SEARLE, Charles Son M 17 1854 Middlesex
SEARLE, Frank Son M 14 1857 Middlesex

Mary was baptised in Bishopstone Wiltshire in 1821, parents John and Sophia and I can't find her in 1851 either.

All of the children use the name Searle, but Edward seems to have been baptised as Edward William Burroughs in Chelsea in 1844 (parents Edward and Mary). Marian was born in Holyport, Berkshire and there's a birth record for Mary Ann Burroghs in Cookham in 1849.

There are birth records for William and Charles in Islington both as Searle and Burroughs, so I'm assuming Edward Searle is the father of all of the children and for some strange reason they didn't marry until they already had 4.

If I could find them all together in 1851 that would pretty much prove it. Can anyone locate them ?

Thanks,

Rick.
kiterunner
03-05-13, 13:24
I can't find them, sorry.
Rick
03-05-13, 13:38
Thanks for trying.
Shona
03-05-13, 19:04
Had a look, too, but nothing conclusive. However, have you searched on Earl(e) in case the name had been transcribed wrongly?
Phoenix
03-05-13, 19:14
Is this a different Edward in 1851:

SEARLE, Edward Head Marr M 29 1822 Carman Huntington, Hertfordshire
SEARLE, Charlotte Wife Marr F 32 1819 Shepreth, Cambridgeshire
SEARLE, David Son M 7 1844 Scholar Wyddial, Hertfordshire
SEARLE, Walter Son M 3 1848 St George,
Rick
03-05-13, 19:41
Had a look, too, but nothing conclusive. However, have you searched on Earl(e) in case the name had been transcribed wrongly?
Thanks Shona.

I've tried *earl, *earle, burro* and barro* on both Ancestry and FMP. I've tried son Edward and daughter Marian (and all variations I could think of) individually and with one or both parents. I'm starting to think they have somehow missed being recorded.
Shona
03-05-13, 19:52
What was a Town Traveller?

Suggests they were moving about.
Phoenix
03-05-13, 19:57
He is an agent later on. It is possible that he was travelling on the continent in 1851.

He marries by licence and his father is a gentleman on his cert, so a different league to the carman I found.
Rick
03-05-13, 20:09
He is an agent later on. It is possible that he was travelling on the continent in 1851.

He marries by licence and his father is a gentleman on his cert, so a different league to the carman I found.

Agreed, although I can't find the family you found on the 1861. Although the whole family is fairly wealthy, Edward only left £246 in his will, compared to his brother's £7000.
Rick
03-05-13, 20:13
What was a Town Traveller?

Suggests they were moving about.

Commercial traveller I think. I think you're right they are on the move, but I was hoping for a bit more evidence to show all 5 kids belonged to Edward before claiming them for my tree :)
Phoenix
03-05-13, 20:17
What does his father's will say? I assume that the F Searle who witnesses his marriage is his brother, who was the executor?
Phoenix
03-05-13, 20:19
Have you looked at the actual death duties for Francis Benjamin? That should give an indication of how much the brothers inherited.
Rick
03-05-13, 20:28
What does his father's will say? I assume that the F Searle who witnesses his marriage is his brother, who was the executor?

His father died in 1845, so the probate record is too early to be on Ancestry. His mother's will is posted on Rootsweb and she leaves the brothers property in Bloomsbury, stocks & shares, so a healthy amount you would imagine.

Link.....

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/trnscrpt/mdx0017.txt

The F Searle witness is indeed his brother Francis.
Phoenix
03-05-13, 20:34
Francis Benjamin Searle of 10 Southampton St Bloomsbury. Executor Francis Searle of St Johns Brewery [?] Richmond. Not quite sure which court it was proved in. The abbreviation looks like PC.

Death Duty records are on microfilm at TNA.
Rick
03-05-13, 20:45
Francis Benjamin Searle of 10 Southampton St Bloomsbury. Executor Francis Searle of St Johns Brewery [?] Richmond. Not quite sure which court it was proved in. The abbreviation looks like PC.

Death Duty records are on microfilm at TNA.

Thanks - I didn't know that, although I've ordered PCC wills from them before. Brewing ran in the family.