Gumms

[Asa]

In the will of Thomas Gumm of Henley, Oxon written in 1850, he leaves some money to John, son of his brother James and to John's son Thomas. I could do with some help finding more on John and Thomas.

James married Sarah Faithman in Tottenham, Middlesex in 1807 and two children were baptised at Henley, Oxon - John in 1809 and Susanna in 1808. I don't know anything more of them but I'm assuming that James was dead by then. There is a burial at Swyncombe - a few miles from Henley - for a 32 year old Susanna Gumm in 1840 who looks likely to be mine.

[kiterunner]

Does the will give John's occupation, Asa?

[Asa]

No, it doesn't - just 'son of my brother James'. They were a fairly well off family generally I think - farmers etc

[Shona]

1851 census

Assenden Farm, Bix, Oxfordshire

Thomas Gumm, head, 25, steward of 65 acres, born Swincomb
Louisa Gumm, wife, 22, born Oxford
Ann Gumm, daughter, 2, born Bix, Oxon
John Smith, servant, 15, shepherd boy, born Weston, Oxon
William Bull, servant, 16, waggoner's boy, born Clare, Oxon

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=OXFHO107_1725_1725-0956&fn=Thomas&ln=Gumm&st=r&ssrc=&pid=4075880

[Asa]

Thanks Shona - sorry I should have mentioned this Thomas - that's a great nephew as well but the grandson of Thomas who made the will's eldest brother William

[Shona]

On FS, there is a reference to Thomas Gum, b 1845, Great Kimble, Oxon, living in Monk's Risborough, parents are John and Elizabeth Gum. But I can't find it on Ancestry and FS is now saying it's having technical problems. Grrr.

[Shona]

Found them on FMP.

John Gumm, head, 62, ag lab, b Great Kimble
Elizabeth Gumm, wife, 58, b Great Kimble
Thomas Gumm, 26, son, ag lab, b Great Kimble
Joseph Gumm, 23, son, ag lab, b Great Kimble
Ann Gumm, 20, daughter, lace (?) maker, b Great Kimble
William Gumm, son, 17, ag lab, b Monk's Risborough

[Asa]

Ah thank you, Shona - that looks promising - although John was baptised in Henley I'm pretty sure there was no address on the baptism.

[kiterunner]

That family is down as Gunn in 1851:
Church Houses, Great Kimble, Bucks
Elizabeth Cutler Head Widow 68 Pauper, Lace Maker Bucks Wingrove
Phebe Do Daur U 30 Lace Maker Do Great Kimble
John Do Son U 26 Farm Labourer Do Do
John Gunn Son in Law Mar 45 Do Do Bucks Stone
Elizabeth Do Son in Law's Wife Mar 38 Lace Maker " Great Kimble
Sarah Do Daur U 15 Do Do Do Do
Thomas Do Son 6 Scholar Do Do
Joseph Do Son 3 Do Do Do
Ann Do Daur 1 Do Do

Not sure whether "son in law's wife" is a convoluted way of saying "daughter", or if John Gunn is Elizabeth Cutler's stepson! (Though if he was her stepson he would probably have the same surname as her.)

[kiterunner]

Phebe Cutler's baptism is on FamilySearch, 17 Jun 1821 Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire, parents James and Elizabeth. But I can't see an Elizabeth with the same parents unless it is the one baptised in Datchet, Bucks, 27 Apr 1806.

[kiterunner]

1841 census at Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire:
John Gunn 30 Ag Lab Y
Elizabeth Do 25 Y
Ann Do 8 Y
Sarah Do 5 Y
Mary 3 Y

[kiterunner]

There are baptisms for the children of John Gunn and Elizabeth with Anne 15 Sep 1833 being the first one, but I can't see John and Elizabeth's marriage.

[Asa]

Thanks Kate - I'll go and have a look for the marriage on the bonds site just in case. There are a few families of Gunn about too so I need to be careful :-)

[Asa]

Nope. I can't see anything anywhere for a marriage.

[kiterunner]

There seem to be quite a few Gomm(e)s about too.

[kiterunner]

FamilySearch has a baptism for a John Gunn 30 Jul 1809 at Stone, Buckinghamshire, parents Joseph and Ann. So this could be the one on the censuses (his birthplace is Stone on the 1851).

[Asa]

Ah right. Thanks - this isn't my chap I don't think. There *are* a lot of Gomm(e)s about this part of Oxon and Bucks - I'm descended twice from them. Several different families and I think the Gumms are only connected by marriage at the time I'm looking but it's very confusing - several lots of Gunns around as well....

John's father James was born in 1776 and there is a James Gumm buried at Byfleet, Surrey in 1827 aged 51 (FMP) but that might be nothing.