Which Frederick?

[Cheshirelass73]

Hello folks

I am trying to find the parents of Frederick Watson born 1899 Newcastle under Lyne Staffs.

I have found two possible on the 1881 and 1871 census.

Both are called William and Sarah and both lived in Freehay Cheadle Staffs and both had a son Frederick born in 1871 which would be my Frederick's dad how do I find out which one?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

[kiterunner]

What information do you have so far, Chris? Frederick jr's birth certificate or at least census entry giving his father's occupation and his mother's name? Marriage of Frederick jr's parents, giving the occupation of Frederick sr's father plus names of witnesses?

[Cheshirelass73]

All I have is Frederick's (B 1899) parents marriage at St John's Church Wetley Rocks Newcastle Under Lyme in 1894 Frederick (father) and Elizabeth Hill

[kiterunner]

Have you got the actual marriage certificate, Chris?

[Cheshirelass73]

No got the info from Staffs BMd

[kiterunner]

Is this them in 1901?
9 Flash Lane, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Frederic Watson Head M 30 Boot & Shoe Maker Staff Cheadle
Elizabeth Watson Wife M 29 " Cheddleton
Ernest " Son 5 " Longton
Harold " Son 3 " "
Frederic " Son 1 " Trent Vale

It looks as though Fred jr was registered as Fred rather than Frederick and was born in Stoke district?

[Shona]

Found a marriage for Frederick Hill in Cheadle Oct-Nov-Dec 1894.

[kiterunner]

Sorry, ancestry is being a pain at the moment! I'm having trouble getting anything to load.

[Shona]

1871 census Freehay

William Watson, 37, bootmaker and farmer
Sarah Watson, 34
Ephrain Watson, 12
Rachel Watson, 9
William Watson, 8
Hezekiah Watson, 6
James Watson, 4
Thomas Watson, 2
Frederick Watson, 9 months

[Shona]

Sorry, ancestry is being a pain at the moment! I'm having trouble getting anything to load.

Ditto. I've switched ot FMP.

[Cheshirelass73]

That could be them, how can I find out which William is Fred snrs father?

[kiterunner]

The best way would be to get a copy of Frederick and Elizabeth's marriage certificate to see what occupation is given for Frederick's father (and to check that his father was called William!) and to get the names of the witnesses. But maybe we can rule out one or other of the two Fredericks - I just can't get censuses to load at the moment to see who is where and when!

[Cheshirelass73]

Shona thats the one I found but there is another family William and Sarah At Freehay with different childrens names except for Frederick born 1871 on the 1881 census

[kiterunner]

Phew, managed to get the 1911 census entry up, not that it helps:
36 Neville Street,Oakhill, Stoke on Trent
Fredk Watson Head 40 Married 16 yrs 8 children 6 living 2 dead, Cordwainer Cheadle, Staffs
E A Watson Wife 39 Cheddleton
Ernest Son 15 Single Grocers Assistant Near Longton
Harold 13 Bootmaker's Apprentice
Fred 11 School Stoke on Trent
Evelyn Daughter 8 School Stoke
Winnifred 4
Emily 1

[kiterunner]

There is a Frederick Watson on the 1891 census at Kingsley, Staffordshire, farm servant, occupation gardener, age 22, born Staffordshire Cheadle.

[kiterunner]

1881 census:
Freehay, Cheadle, Staffs:
William Watson Head Mar 49 Bootmaker Staffordshire Freehay
Sarah Do Wife Do 44 Do Wife Do Do
James Do Son Unm 14 Dos Son Do Do
Thomas Do Do Do 13 Dos Son Do Do
Frederick Do Do Do 10 Scholar Do Do
Edith J Do Dau Do 9 Do Do Do
Fanny B A Do Do Do 4 Do Do Do
Mary G Do Do Do 1 Do Do

I haven't found the other family yet though.

[Shona]

Shona thats the one I found but there is another family William and Sarah At Freehay with different childrens names except for Frederick born 1871 on the 1881 census

Hmm - I'm getting just one match for William and Sarah Watson for both 1871 and 1881.

1881 - Freehay
William Watson, 49, bootmaker
Sarah, 44
James, 14
Thomas, 13
Frederick, 10,
Edith, 9
Fanny, 4
Mary, 1

1901 - Cheadle
William Watson, 68, boot and shoemaker, own account, b Freehay, Cheadle
Sarah, 64
Thomas, 33, cabinet maker, own account

[Cheshirelass73]

Thats definately them I recognise the names of Fred's brothers and sisters.

[Shona]

I haven't found the other family yet though.

Nor can I. I got two hits for 1771 searching for William Watson - one for the head of household and the other for the son. Could that have caused confusion?

[Shona]

In 1861, William and Sarah are living at Cheadle Common.

William Watson, 27, bootmaker
Sarah, 24
Sarah Ann, 5
Mary Jane, 4
Ephrain, 2