george thornley clegg b set qtr 1899

[garstonite]

Good morning ....this is a request for a lady in Garston who cannot find her G Grandfathers birth....what she has
G Grandfather George Rogers b 1900 Liverpool - mother is Lilian Clegg ( no George Rogers shows on freebmd b Liverpool 1900 )
( I suspect that George was not born Rogers - but Clegg )
George Rogers marries Lilian Clegg 1906 in Liverpool
Lilian has - George before she marries George Rogers

So I am presuming that Clegg is the surname of George
I have found George Thornley Clegg b sept qtr 1899 West Derby,Liverpool

could someone see if George Thornley Clegg is with Lilian Clegg in 1901 census please

And was Lilian Clegg her maiden name - or was she married before ?
thanks in advance
allan:)
ADDED...George Rogers married Lilian Clegg 4th june 1906 ,Liverpool- both aged 25 - grooms father Thomas Rogers / brides father James Clegg - so we know she wasn`t married before - and also she has a brother Reuben Clegg born 1883

[Breckland Jane]

Going by the census records, George Thornley Clegg seems to be the son of Walter Thomas and Jeannie Nicholl Clegg.

Jane

[garstonite]

Thanks Jane ....is Lilian Clegg with Rueben Clegg b 1883 - in 1901 census ?? in Liverpool
thanks
allan

[Breckland Jane]

The only Reuben Clegg I can find is shown b 1885, Garston, son of James, a widower. No Lilian with them, only John & Mary.

[garstonite]

The only Reuben Clegg I can find is shown b 1885, Garston, son of James, a widower. No Lilian with them, only John & Mary.
Thanks Jane ...that is the family - I presume Lilian is aged 20 with George the baby - in her own house / or maybe in service somewhere ...hopefully Garston
cheers- really appreciate your help
allan:)

[Merry]

I looked for brother, Reuben, in 1891. Found the right one (parents James and Mary). Their dau, (Lilly) is showing as aged 11 and born in Manchester (same as parents)

[Merry]

Info from 1911 census:

Reuben 27 boot repairer b Garston
George Rogers 30 bro-in-law Labourer b Ludlow, Shropshire
Lilian Rogers 30 sister b Manchester
John Richard Clegg 25 brother b Garston
George Hornby nephew 11 Northwich Cheshire
Lilian Hornby niece 8 b Northwich Cheshire
William Rogers nephew 1 Garston
Peter Gerons ?? boarder

[Merry]

In 1901 George Hornby was aged 11 months with parents Lilian Hornby (21 Manchester) and George Hornby 26 and George's father George H 71.

So, Lilian wasn't married before?????!!!!!!! Maybe not, going to look.........

[Merry]

I can't see an obvious marriage. Going to see if I can tell what happened to George Hornby (the dad of 1900 George).

[garstonite]

Info from 1911 census:

Reuben 27 boot repairer b Garston
George Rogers 30 (bro-in-law) Labourer b Ludlow, Shropshire
Lilian Rogers 30 sister b Manchester
John Richard Clegg 25 brother b Garston
George Hornby nephew 11 Northwich Cheshire
Lilian Hornby niece 8 b Northwich Cheshire
William Rogers nephew 1 Garston
Peter Gerons ?? boarder

Thanks very much Merry ....but where is George born 1900 ?
I have invited Lynn ( the girl from Garston ) to join the site ...somehow I think George Rogers ( son of Lilian Clegg ) b 1900 is going to be very elusive
Lynn tells me Lilians son George Rogers died when she (Lynn ) was 13 and he was her g grandad .. I can`t find him ...thats what makes me think he may have been born Clegg ...
maybe Lynn can update us on info if she joins
allan
allan

[Merry]

1911

George 36 b Northwich is single and living with his elderly father (82). The old man helpfully tells us he's been married twice (first lasted 45 years, second 6) and he had 8 children, four alive (possibly from both marriages??) So his lack of reading the question properly may help your friend with the tree!

[Merry]

Thanks very much Merry ....but where is George born 1900 ?


He is there - George Hornby aged 11!!!! lol See post 8

[Merry]

This will be him:


Births Jun 1900
Hornby George Northwich 8a 249

Do you know when he died, Allan? I was wondering if his dob is known? (and if he died after 1969 then it may be on his death reg)

[Merry]

George Rogers died when she (Lynn ) was 13

lol - and you wouldn't ask a lady her age!!! pmsl! Erm, roughly when might that have been??!!!!! :d

[Merry]

So, it seems extremely likely George was b as a Hornby but his parents were living together rather than married. They split up and Lilian married George Rogers.

[Merry]

Geroeg's full sister:

Births Mar 1903

Hornby Lillian Northwich 8a 233

[Merry]

I just looked at Lilian's marriage info on the 1911. She says married 5 years which is correct. She also says five children born, three living, two dec'd. I think this is probably all her children (ie Rogers and Hornby) as she has the three living children with her (George and Lilian Hornby and William Rogers).

[Merry]

If your friend gets George's birth cert (1900) and there is a time of birth on itt, then George may have been a twin. There's a reg for a John Hornby on the same page as George and this baby seems to have died in Q4 1900.

[Merry]

I don't think identifying the other child who died will be easy (assuming John is one of the two). If the other dec'd child was a Rogers it might be impossible!

[Merry]

Are you busy cooking me my lunch, Allan?? :D

[garstonite]

So, it seems extremely likely George was b as a Hornby but his parents were living together rather than married. They split up and Lilian married George Rogers.

AHA ....with you now ...that makes sense ...you clever girl ...
and No - I wasn`t cooking dinner lol
I am a very slow 2 fingered typer - and I was taking in all the info ...
5 kids - 3 alive and 2 deceased ...all fits now
thankyou so much Merry
she will be delighted with this info ....she can go backwards with George and his mum Lilian now ...
really appreciate your input...
I happen to have worked with Lynns grandad ...don`t know Lynn - but glad to help her cos of her grandad ...
cheers
allan

[Merry]

If George lived his life as a Rogers and married as a Rogers I would have expected his death reg to be Rogers too, really.

I hope we see Lynn here soon and I'll ask her how old she is!! lolol :D:D:D

[garstonite]

Good...cos I`m not asking her age ....she can`t come up behind you and hit you with a brolly ....she can me ...she lives in Garston....thanks very much Merry ...she has been after this info for quite a long time evidently
allan

[Merry]

lol!

I meant to say, the Clegg/Rogers family were living at 21 Wellington Street, Garston in 1911. I expect you know that street?

[garstonite]

lol!

I meant to say, the Clegg/Rogers family were living at 21 Wellington Street, Garston in 1911. I expect you know that street?

I go there most days ....to The Wellington Hotel...and I lived in the next street -Heald street for 20 years - and Anns cousin used to run the "Welly "...the continuation of Wellington Street is Russel Street - and Russell Place is off that ...Lynn states the family lived in Russel Place when she was a child....so they moved 100 yards up the road ...Garstonites - not Garstonians ( under the bridge )
allan

[kiterunner]

Hmmm, FamilySearch has an Ivy Hornby born 13 Dec 1904 and baptised 10 Jan 1905 at St Michael's Garston, parents George Hornby and Lilian. I wonder whether she could be the other child who died young.

[kiterunner]

Oh, looking at FreeBMD there is a birth reg for Ivy Hornby Jan-Mar 1905 West Derby and a death reg Apr-Jun 1905 same district, age 0, so I reckon so.

[Merry]

That definitely looks right. :)

[Merry]

There looks to be a total of five Rogers/Clegg babies born in West Derby. William, who is on the 1911 census, and four more ending in 1918.