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Ex's gt grandfather Zusman Hart is a nightmare because his name has been mangled into all sorts - Guessman, Tuesman, Luisman, Zuseman, Zuesman & Zuzman among others.
As a break from my Sibleys (see other thread!) I thought I'd look for him in the electoral rolls as I can't find him at all in 1911 census and thought if I got a roll address that would help.
Well, its hopeless looking for him, so I gave up and thought I'd look for his wife. She's Catherine Amelia Hart, nee Head (no body puns required) and they married in 1916. I know from his death cert they were living at 94 Harrow Road Paddington, so when I found a "hit" in 1926 I thought BINGO! But on looking, I find there's Catherine Amelia Hart & Michael Hart and their abode is Bridge House, 20 Wharfs, North Side W2. No sign of husband.
1936. His death was registered by his widow, whose address was 94 Harrow Road.
I can see him at 106 Long Acre for years, then he just disappears off the radar.
Was he naturalised? Could he actually vote?
Or is that his father/ rellie?
There's a Michael Hart, aged 17, living with parents, Isaac and Esther, and lots of siblings, in Stoke Newington in 1911.
Oh - and who are his parents, please, Nell?
I don't know if the man at Long Acre is him or a relative, but in 1911 the highest number I can find for Long Acre is 34 :(
Nell, when did his first wife, Julia, die?
There is a Dolly Hart marrying Isaac Hyans in Hackney in 1909. Is that one of Zuzman's children?
Found John Barker at 106 Long Acre in 1911 and he is also on the e-roll for that address at that date.
Is Michael Catherine Amelia's step-son? (just guessing!)
Found a fishmonger named Michael Hart, 36, single, who is the brother-in-law of Solomon Brandon and his wife, Elizabeth, living in Houndsditch in 1911. Looks as if Elizabeth is Zuzman's daughter.
Found a fishmonger named Michael Hart, 36, single, who is the brother-in-law of Solomon Brandon and his wife, Elizabeth, living in Houndsditch in 1911. Looks as if Elizabeth is Zuzman's daughter.
Ah, no. Elizabeth is Zuzman's Hart's sister. So the brother-in-law fishmonger, Michael, is Zuzman's brother. Also Solomon and Elizabeth have a son named Michael. Seems to be a family name.
Mary from Italy
16-12-12, 22:36
Catherine Amelia and Michael Hart were living at Bridge House (Westbourne Terrace Road) from 1918-1928 and at 94 Harrow Road from 1929-1936 according to the electoral rolls. In the earlier entries, Catherine's called Kate and Michael's called Michel. It's definitely the same couple, because of the 1926 entry.
Michel Hart's also listed under 94 Harrow Road in 1918, with his abode shown as Bridge House, Paddington.
I wonder if Michael is simply Zusman using a different name?
Mary from Italy
16-12-12, 22:58
Michel Hart, a widowed fish-fryer aged 57, is living in Lion Street, New Kent Road in 1911:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_01802_0279_03/3127340?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3dmic*%26gsln%3dha rt%26f2%3dLondon%26rs_81004011__date%3d0%26prox%3d 1%26db%3d1911england%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss %3drfs%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
He says he was married for 36 years, and Zusman married Julia in 1875...
Mary - I was also coming round to the view that Zuzman started calling himself Michael. Think you've cracked it. Well done. I was surprised just how many Hart families with Jewish first names were either fishmongers, fish sellers or fish fryers.
Nell - do you know where the family came from originally? Is Hart an anglicised version of a Jewish name? I've come across Hartman and Hartz in other research I've done.
FMP has him mistranscribed as Lichel Hart on the 1911. Nothing in the last two columns.
It's a pity when I first looked at the e-rolls yesterday I mis-remember the result I had seen and thought Cath and Michael were showing up 1936 onwards, rather than up to 1936, and this was the only reason I thought Zuesman and Michael couldn't be the same person! Why didn't I ever go back to look at the e-roll for a second time?! Gggrrrr :mad:
Mary from Italy
17-12-12, 07:19
:)
One interesting thing I noticed; on Nell's old thread on FTF, Naomi posted a list of names related to Zusman.
And one of the Yiddish nicknames for Zusman is Meshl, which sounds a lot like Michel to me, although I don't know any Hebrew.
This is the original source for the names:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/givennames/search.htm
I was beginning to wonder whether Zusman had changed his name to Michael too. Perhaps he was fed up with it being misrecorded:d Or maybe his wife wanted him to sound less Jewish.
Zuzman was born at 101 Middlesex Street (Petticoat Lane). I haven't got back further than his parents, but I think from what I've found out that the Harts were from the Netherlands or Germany, and probably came over to England before the end of the 18th century.
Zuzman's brother-in-law Michael Joseph took over the shop and Zuzman moved about a bit, to Kingsland and Long Acre, before moving (like his father and brother Lipman) to Paddington. His wife died in a road near Seven Dials and Zuzman ran two fried fish shops in the 1890s, one in Monmouth Street and the other in what is now St. Giles' High Street.
Thanks again people, I'll digest all the info and add it to my file.xx
Many thanks again, its been brilliant being able to find Zusman/Michel/Michael in 1911 as it tells me that he had 15 children and 5 are dead so I'll be able to trace them better now. Thanks for the marriage too Shona.
The reason so many Jews were fishmongers is partly because they couldn't join the professions and because Jewish dietary laws allow eating fish. I was told that fish and chips is actually a Jewish invention. Hart is as common in the Jewish community as Jones is in Wales or Smith in England!!
Super-impressed by your speedy responses people!
Mind you, Zusman should stick to either Michel or Michael if changing his name. At least his age in the census is consistent - 10 years between each one.
There's a couple of entries (both the same info) under Zuesman Hart on FMP Newspaper records.
Thanks Merry
Another insight into ex's ancestors!
Mind you I was a bit surprised. I assumed London in the 1890s would be very smelly. Either Zusman's frying oil was particularly obnoxious or maybe there was a bit of anti-Semitism going on. At least the jury weren't against him. I love the idea of calling medical evidence to prove a smell isn't unhealthy!
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