Woman Bugalist? and cannot find her before 1861

[vallee]

I dont know if this is usual but I have a Ann Pykerman in 1861 a Bugalist? or am I wrong.
Thanks

also need to find any other detals on her

George Henry COOK born 1836 Bethnal Green a Cabinet Carver
married
Ann PYKERMAN age 27 on 22 Dec 1861 Father John Pykerman an Engineer

Cannot find anything on her till 1861 and cannot find her Father anywhere

in 1871 she says born in Shoreditch

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=MDXRG9_231_235-0104&fn=Ann&ln=Pykerman&st=r&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p6142574796_kpidz0q3d6142574796z0 q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&pid=5503715

any ideas ?? would be grateful thanks

[kiterunner]

It does look like bugalist.

[vallee]

thanks Kite was surprised when I saw that , wonder who she played it for? how fascinating

[kiterunner]

Found the family in 1851 mistranscribed as Pyhnman (I will submit a correction):
15 Hoxton Town, Shoreditch
John Pykerman Head Mar 48 BlackSmith Middlesex Hoxton
Maria Do Wife Mar 37 Cotton Winder Plymouth
Maria Do Daur U 18 Tambour Worker Middlesex Shoreditch
Ann Do Daur U 16 House Serv Do Do
Sarah Do Daur 12 Scholar Do Do
Henry Do Son 5 Scholar Do Do

(Henry is with Ann in 1861.)
1851 census entry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=MDXHO107_1533_1534-0575&fn=Henry&ln=Pyhnman&st=d&ssrc=&pid=169693)

[Merry]

Her bap is transcribed as Ann Pyterman on Ancestry. John is a porter in 1834!

[kiterunner]

Hmmm, there is this family in 1841 at Hoxton Old Town who don't quite match (name transcribed as Pekeman on ancestry):
Peter Pikeman 30 Cotton Spinner Y
Maria Do 25 Y
Do Do 8 Y
Anne Do 6 Y
John Do 4 Y
Charlotte Do 1 Y
Elizabeth Do 2 months Y

1841 possible census entry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=MDXHO107_708_709-0213&fn=Maria&ln=Pekeman&st=d&ssrc=&pid=15344779)

It is possible that the enumerator copied out a "John" wrongly as "Peter"; it's surprising how similar the two names could look when scrawled. And one of Ann's marriage witnesses was a Charlotte Catchpole.

[kiterunner]

Her bap is transcribed as Ann Pyterman on Ancestry. John is a porter in 1834!

And her brother John Thomas Edward Pykerman was baptised 25 Dec 1836 with father's occupation given as Engineer.

[Olde Crone]

Hmmm....coming in here from the wacky left, lol:

A person who plays the bugle is a bugler, not a bugalist. Given that sister Maria is a tambour worker, (bead embroiderer) I think Ann is actually a person who works with bugle beads - a bugalist.

OC

[Merry]

Not sure if this is mum as I can't see her in 1861. I've not looked to see if parts of Shoreditch are missing though.

Deaths Dec 1863
Pickerman Maria Shoreditch 1c 161

[vallee]

oh wow thanks everybody :)I must not put so much in my search, I was putting engineer for John ?:(
and OC I feel really silly now;(

[Shona]

Hmmm....coming in here from the wacky left, lol:

A person who plays the bugle is a bugler, not a bugalist. Given that sister Maria is a tambour worker, (bead embroiderer) I think Ann is actually a person who works with bugle beads - a bugalist.

OC
Exactly what I thought earlier and seeing the other info, I also reckon she embroidered using bugle beads.

[Merry]

I don't know if you are interested in the parents vallee, but it seems likely John and Maria didn't marry until 1838. The entry is on Ancestry under Pykeman. I would have imagined this marriage was a red herring as Pykeman was also the name signed rather than Pykerman, but the groom is an engineer.

[Uncle John]

Exactly what I thought earlier and seeing the other info, I also reckon she embroidered using bugle beads.

Absolutely fascinating the knowledge on here of every trade under the sun, however obscure.

[vallee]

thanks Merrry and all.
I just noticed somebody on Ancestry has John Pykerman the Father died in 1851 but it does not say where ? I cannot find it if anybody has a minute or two thanks

[kiterunner]

There is a burial on ancestry 4 Jan 1852 at Hoxton St John - John Pikeman age 48. Abode Hoxton Town.

[kiterunner]

Oh, and a death registration Oct-Dec 1851, district Shoreditch, name is John Pikeman on that too. Vol 2 p 358.

[vallee]

thanks very much Kite so he did die in 1851 thanks again

[Merry]

This is probably why I couldn't find Maria in 1861!!

Deaths Dec 1856
Pikeman Maria Shoreditch 1c 99

[Merry]

I expect the death reg I posted in #9 belongs to:

Births Jun 1862
PYKERMAN Maria Shoreditch 1c 222

[vallee]

thats funny I replied to this earlier and its gone ?? must have forgot to click on send .
thanks again everyone , have almost sorted them now thanks .

[Olde Crone]

Why should you feel daft, Vallee? I only know this because I know quite a lot about bugle beads but nothing about bugles, so when I see the word bugle my first thought is of beads!

OC

[vallee]

oh dont think I took offence OC you always make me laugh ,I just felt silly thinking of her playing a Bugle