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06-09-11, 09:44
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The father of the Elizabeth who was baptised in 1817 was an Iron Master, according to the transcription on that Wolverhampton History site, so probably not the same family as Francis Brown Johnson (1813) and Esther Brown Johnson (1815) whose father was a baker. Of course it could be a mistranscription or a mistake in the original.
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06-09-11, 10:09
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Okay, this looks likely to be Francis Brown Johnson as his occupation is Roll Turner! So he is bound to be your James jr's brother, isn't he? I expect you've seen this before, though. It looks vaguely familiar to me.
1841 Shiffnal, Shropshire Francis Johnson 20 Roll Turner N Martha Do 20 N 1851 Shiffnal, Shropshire Francis Johnson Head M 36 Roll Turner Stafford Bilston Elizabeth Johnson Wife M 29 Salop Lilleshall 1861 Wrockwardine Wood, Shropshire Francis Johnson Head Mar 46 Roll Turner at Forge Staffordshire Bilston Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 37 Salop Lilleshall Francis Hopkins Nephew 17 Pattern Maker at Foundry Cheshire Calvley 1871 Gateshead, Durham Frank Johnson Head Mar 56 Iron Worker Staffordshire Bilston Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 47 Shropshire St Georges 1881 still in Gateshead Francis Johnson Head Mar 66 Roll Turner (Iron) Staffordshire Bilston Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 57 Shropshire Pains Lane Agnes M Williams Grand-niece 10 Scholar Do Do Francis Johnson death Jan-Mar 1884 Gateshead age 70.
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06-09-11, 10:25
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Oh, it looks as though Francis Hopkins' mother was called Esther, so she must be Esther Brown Johnson. Calveley in Cheshire was in Bunbury parish, and there is this baptism on FamilySearch:
Francis Hopkins baptised 6 Aug 1843 Bunbury, Cheshire, parents Thomas and Esther. They also had James 1838, Martha 1840, Thomas 1842, Samuel 1845 and Esther 1847. Anyway, that sorts Francis and Esther out; the others might not be so easy with such common names. The marriage looks likely to be Thomas Hopkins / Esther Johnson Apr-Jun 1838 West Bromwich. There is an Esther Hopkins death in 1847 but there is no age shown on Cheshire BMD so I'm not sure whether it's Esther senior or junior. I haven't found the family in 1851 yet.
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06-09-11, 10:30
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Oops, forgot to post up the Hopkins family in 1841:
Bunbury, Cheshire Thomas Hopkins 35 Brick maker N Esther Do 25 N Leonard Do 10 Y James Do 2 Y Martha Do 1 Y
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#5
06-09-11, 11:19
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Cor you had me baffled there Kate lol , been babysitting all morning so just saw this and went to bed early last night ,,,
Yes thats the right family but didnt have Esthers marriage or anything ,, All the Johnsons where Roll turners well nearly all right through to my G Grandfather who well ?? worked in works and all sorts and then grandad well dont want to say much about him , Dad said he was drunkard and waster ;;;pass So how is this going to get us back a gen Kate ??? or am I missing something , if so sorry but shattered Last edited by borobabs; 06-09-11 at 11:22.
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06-09-11, 11:48
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Oh, I just remembered something - James and Hannah Johnson have a Hannah Hill age 12 with them in 1841 - do you know how she fits in, Babs?
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06-09-11, 12:08
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No I dont Kate I have ften wondered but couldnt find a Hill marriage for any of the daughters
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06-09-11, 12:16
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Just had some more thoughts - you could get Esther's marriage certificate to see where she was living and who the witnesses are, and whether it says "deceased" for her father.
Also looked on the apprenticeship records on ancestry and it has 16 Sep 1772 Jas Johnson, baker, apprentice Richard Johnson. Might be connected somehow?
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06-09-11, 14:48
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Have we got the GRO nuber for there marriage Kate ,,sorry think I should leave this for today just to tired to cenctrate properly , Im sorry ,,will re read tomorrow and try to make some sence of it all ;;
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06-09-11, 17:14
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It's Apr-Jun 1838 West Bromwich vol 18 p 657, Thomas Hopkins / Esther Johnson.
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