A puzzle for anyone who is bored
 

If anyone is bored and wants to help me unmuddle something. My Grandfather !! James Thorpe died Feb 1939 24 Park Road East Ham age 49 occupation Coal Miner I have death cert. He married 24 December 1910 Sarah Ann Kirkland Newcastle Upon tyne occupation still Coal Miner his father shown as Edward Thorpe (are you with me so far) 1911 Census James and Sarah are married and living with Lyall Waggott and family in Benwell NUT now this is where the mystery comes in, Lyall Waggot is shown as born 1883 Durham Lancchester (keep this in mind) back a bit further 1891 census shows my grandfather James Thorp (no E) living with his parents Edward and Mary A Thorp Durham Blaydon plus James broter LYALL Thorp age 8 born Lanchester !!!!!! Now I cannot find a birth reg for Lyall Thorp or Lyall Waggott. I know there is a connection between Waggott and Thorpe as my fathers middle name is Waggott. So are Lyall Waggott and Lyall Thorpe one and the same person? Oh kind of feel better about this having written it down. xxhugxx

Do you know Mary A's maiden name, and do you know when Edward and Mary A got married? And whose brother is Lyall Thorp, James's or Edward's?

Have you taken the parents Eward and Mary A any further back and come across the Waggott name?

1891 = RG12; Piece: 4189; Folio 49; Page 36

Lyall is down as son to Edward and Mary A

Edward c1855 Hunslet Yorkshire
Mary A c1856 Benfieldside, Durham wife
Lyall c1882 Lanchester son
James c 1890 Blaydon son

Layll on 1891 is brother of James . I found a marriage for Lyall Waggot he married Jesie Hall Gateshead Dec 1904. Have yet to confirm marriage for Edward and Mary. Maybe I have not yet done enough to ask for your assistance. xxxhugxx

Well, do you have James' birth certificate, Lindy? That would give you Mary's maiden name.

No cannot find birth reg yet. It is Lyall who fascinates me xxhugxx

THere's a marriage for Edward Thorpe to Mary Ann Robson in Gateshead in 1889, According to the FreeBMD Gateshead district covers Blaydon


Marriages Dec 1889
Robson Mary Ann Gateshead 10a 1325
THORPE Edward Gateshead 10a 1325

That sounds a possible adds to list for certs thank you xxhugxx

Ah, this is looking good on the 1901 (copyright TNA):

12 Pioneer St., Winlaton, Blaydon, Durham:
Richard Thorpe Head M 46 Coal Hewer(?) Leeds Yorkshire
Annie M Do Wife M 36 Sheffield Do
Francis Thos Do Son S 17 Metal Castings Cleaner Scotland
George Do Son 11 Blaydon Durham
Henry Do Son 9 Do Do
Mary E Do Daur 8 Do Do
James Do Son 6 Do Do
Albert Do Son 4 Do Do
Richard Do Son 8 mo Do Do
Lionel Waggott Nephew S 17 Pig Iron Moulder Gateshead Do
William Thorpe Brother S 23 General Labourer Sheffield Yorkshire