Sarah Davies (FFMMM)

[Michael]

Sorry for the delay in posting this - what with moving back to Germany, starting a new term etc. I've been a bit busy :rolleyes: I've also left most of my written notes in the UK, so I'm trying to piece this together from what I've got on Ancestry and FTM!

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Sarah Davies

Date and place of birth
c1831, Cray, Brecknockshire

Names of parents
Don't know

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Don't know

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
To Gwilym Jones, c1850

Occupation(s) - if any
None that I know of

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
1841 - haven't found her
1851 - Cadoxton, Glamorgan, HO107/2464
1861 - Ystradgnylais, Breconshire, RG9/4089
1871 - Ystradgynlais, Breconshire, RG10/5434
1881 - Dylais Higher, Glamorgan, RG11/5345
1891 - Dylais Upper, Glamorgan, RG12/4466
1901 - Dylais Upper, Glamorgan, RG13/5062
1911 - haven't found her, don't know if she died before then

Date, place and cause of death
Don't know

Date and place of burial.
Don't know

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Don't know

Memorial inscription - if any
Don't know

[kiterunner]

So this is them in 1851, just for ref:
Gwilym Jones Head Mar 25 Haulier Cadoxton, Glam
Sarah do Wife Mar 20 Devynock, Brecon
Gwenllian Do Daur 1 mo Cadoxton Glamorgan

[kiterunner]

Possible marriage Oct-Dec 1850 Merthyr Tydfil:

Davies Sarah Merthyr Tyd 26 695
Hanrahan John Merthyr Tyd 26 695
Jones Gwilim Merthyr T. 26 695
Jones Jane Merthyr Tyd 26 695
Joseph Daniel Merthyr T 26 695
Light Ann Merthyr Tyd'l 26 695
Mason Ann Merthyr T 26 695
Roderick David Merthyr Tydfil 26 695

[kiterunner]

There's a Daniel Joseph married to a Jane living in Merthyr in 1851, and a John Hanrahan married to an Ann. Not worked out which David Roderick it is yet, though.

[kiterunner]

There's a possible for Sarah in Cadoxton in 1841, address Onlion (would that be the same place as Onlwyn where Gwilym and Sarah are in 1851?):
Jonah(?) David 35 Shoem N
Gwenllian Do 35 N
Sarah Do 10 N
Gwenllian Do 5 N
John Do 1 Y

[Michael]

Thanks Kite - I imagine Onlion is the same as Onllym (or any of the various other ways I've seen it spelled. I'll order the marriage cert - if that is them then Sarah would have been five or six months pregnant at the time of the marriage, which sounds about usual for my lot :d

[kiterunner]

Do you think they would have got married in Merthyr Tydfil district if they both lived in Cadoxton, though? Maybe we should just check for any other possible marriages before you order it.

[Michael]

I don't know exactly where the boundaries of the reg districts are, but Sarah was born in Cray, which is nearer to MT than to Neath, so maybe they married there and moved to Cadoxton after the marriage?

[kiterunner]

Could be, if that isn't her in 1841. I was going to look for that 1841 family in 1851 next...

[kiterunner]

Can't see them in 1851, but if I've found the right Onllwyn on the map, it's not that far from Merthyr anyway. I thought it would be very near to Neath.

[Michael]

I'm guessing it's the one a couple of miles east of Ystradgynlais, which is about the same distance from Neath and Merthyr.

[kiterunner]

If that 1841 family does turn out to be the right one, there is a non-conformist baptism for Sarah Davies, 20 Sep 1830, at Savon Independent, Llywel, Breconshire, parents Jonah Davies and Gwenllian, date of birth 15 Sep 1830.

And a tip you may need if this is the right family - when searching for the name Jonah, try Josiah too because it is a very common mistranscription.

[kiterunner]

There's some info on the Onllwyn that was in the parish of Cadoxton on GENUKI, not sure if it helps confirm whether we're looking at the right one:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/CadoxtonJuxtaNeath/Onllwyn/

[kiterunner]

Yes, I think it is that one, so hopefully that Merthyr Tydfil marriage will turn out to be the right one.

[Michael]

Sarah's daughter Gwenllian sometimes gave Onllwym as her birthplace on later censuses and sometimes Cadoxton, which suggests that either the two were close together or one was part of the other. Thanks for the Jonah/Josiah tip - I haven't come across either name in my tree before so I wouldn't have known about it.

[Michael]

Certificate ordered - now I'll just have to wait and see what it shows :)

[Michael]

Cert has come - it is the right family.

Marriage solemnized at the Register Office in the District of Merthyr Tydfil in the Counties of Glamorgan & Brecon, 26th October 1850

Gwilim Jones, 26, bachelor, haulier, [can't read the residence and unfortunately I don't have a scanner handy!], father Lewis Jones (deceased), farmer.
Sarah Davies, 20, spinster, servant, residence Craig Merthyr, father Jonah Davies, shoemaker.

[kiterunner]

Glad to hear it's the right one, Michael.