Elizabeth Harris (FMFFM)

[Rosie Knees]

puter playing silly budders and I thought I'd lost my FTM programme:eek: Better get this in quick before is disappears again!

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
ELIZABETH HARRIS

Date and place of birth
C1779 Woolsthorpe Lincs

Names of parents
POSSIBLY Phillip Harris and Mary (see bap below)

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
04 AUG 1779 Colsterworth (IGI)

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
17 Apr 1811 Colsterworth to John Kelly (IGI)

Occupation(s) - if any
not knownnot known

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
1821 Colsterworth when son George was born

Date, place and cause of death
not known

Date and place of burial.
not known

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any
not known

[Rosie Knees]

sorry, can someone re-do the title please? :)

Elizabeth Harris (FMFFM)

[ElizabethHerts]

Was her husband John Kelly, Rosie?

[Rosie Knees]

yes Elizabeth. I'll edit it *tuts at self*

[ElizabethHerts]

FreeReg has this burial for Elizabeth Kelly in Lincolnshire:

County Lincolnshire
Place Colsterworth
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 785
BurialDate 15 Dec 1856
Forename Elizabeth
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname KELLY
Age 77
Abode Colsterworth
Notes
FileNumber 15477

However, the age is not the same as in your details.

[ElizabethHerts]

Did Elizabeth and John have any other children, Rosie?

[ElizabethHerts]

A couple of siblings for George?

Name: John Kelly
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Nov 1815
Baptism/Christening Place: Colsterworth, Lincoln, England
Father's Name: John Kelly
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01337-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1450482
Reference Number: p9 cn69
Collection: null

Name: Frances Kelly
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Feb 1812
Baptism/Christening Place: Colsterworth, Lincoln, England
Father's Name: John Kelly
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01337-8
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1450482
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

George himself:

Name: George Kelly
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Oct 1820
Baptism/Christening Place: COLSTERWORTH,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Kelly
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02762-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 421973
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

[ElizabethHerts]

1841 Census
KELLY, Elizabeth
GRANTHAM UNION, Lincolnshire
HO107 piece 616 folio 8A/13 page 21
Rectory Colsterworth
KELLY, Elizabeth F 60 1781 Lincolnshire
KELLY, Frances F 25 1816 Lincolnshire
KELLY, William M 25 1816 Lincolnshire
KELLY, John M 20 1821 Lincolnshire
KELLY, Simon M 20 1821 Lincolnshire

The three boys are shoemakers.

[ElizabethHerts]

1851 Census
KELLY, Elizabeth
GRANTHAM, Lincolnshire
HO107 piece 2102 folio 147 page 1

3, High Street, Colsterworth

KELLY, Elizabeth Head Widow F 72 1779 Supported By Sons Woolsthorpe Lincolnshire
KELLY, William Son Unmarried M 36 1815 Shoe Maker Colsterworth Lincolnshire
KELLY, Simon Son Unmarried M 33 1818 Shoe Maker Colsterworth Lincolnshire

Rosie, I think the burial in 1856 could well be her.

In which case:
Death Dec qr 1856
KELLY Elizabeth Grantham 7a 242

[ElizabethHerts]

John's burial?

County Lincolnshire
Place Colsterworth
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 387
BurialDate 12 Dec 1836
Forename John
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname KELLY
Age 63
Abode Colsterworth
Notes
FileNumber 15478

Therefore born c. 1773

[ElizabethHerts]

Possible baptism for John Kelly?

County Lincolnshire
Place Colsterworth
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 24 Mar 1773
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Anne
FatherSurname KELLY
MotherSurname
Abode Woolsthorpe
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 15472

[ElizabethHerts]

The marriage of William and Ann Kelly:

County Lincolnshire
Place Colsterworth
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 03 Nov 1772
GroomForename William
GroomSurname KELLY
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Anne
BrideSurname MUSSON
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename
WitnessOneSurname
WitnessTwoForename
WitnessTwoSurname
Notes
FileNumber 12379

[ElizabethHerts]

A possible birth for Elizabeth Harris, but date a couple of years adrift according to burial.

County Lincolnshire
Place Colsterworth
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 04 May 1777
Forename Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename Samuel
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname HARRIS
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 15472

[ElizabethHerts]

Marriage of Samuel and Mary Harris:

County Lincolnshire
Place Colsterworth
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 12 Aug 1770
GroomForename Samuel
GroomSurname HARRIS
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname WORTLEY
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename
WitnessOneSurname
WitnessTwoForename
WitnessTwoSurname
Notes
FileNumber 12379

[Rosie Knees]

Elizabeth, I'll come and reply later when I've had a chance to read the info properly. Thanks for the searching you've done:)

[ElizabethHerts]

I hope it helps, Rosie.

[ElizabethHerts]

Rosie, some of this has already been found when you posted John Kelly.

http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=106945

So I think the information I found could be right.

[Rosie Knees]

I hadn't updated my FTM from the John Kelly thread, so now I'm working through that info and the info you found on here.

Thanks again
:)

[Rosie Knees]

I've changed her DOB, parents and baptism. Looking at the 51 that's definitely her with the two shoe-making sons in Colsterworth. which makes that death aged 77 in 1856 very likely.

[ElizabethHerts]

Great, Rosie! You could send for the death certificate just to make sure.

[JayG]

Colsterworth is one of the places that you can browse images of the C/M/B registers on the new Lincs site Ann posted about.

EDIT - Sorry Rosie looks like I made a mistake, that or they were there last week & aren't now :confused: I'm sure I did see them as they came up in one of my searches, I remember thinking i've added to a thread on here about that place! Went off to see if I could post a link to them on here but none of the results link to images. Hopefully they'll be added as the site grows.

[ElizabethHerts]

They are there - I have just seen the marriage -

Elizabeth Harris and John Kelly married by Licence - so it is worth contacting the record office to see if the details survive.

http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=570735&iid=141072

[ElizabethHerts]

Witnesses:

Robert Selby
Robert Taylor

[JayG]

Oh well done Elizabeth!

I thought I was managing OK with using the site, I know a few people had posted they weren't, i'm obviously not managing as good as I thought lol

[ElizabethHerts]

JayG, this is the first time I have found anything with any success.

OH has a large branch of his family from Lincolnshire so if I can learn to navigate this site it will be useful.

It's not the easiest to use. I found the marriage because I knew the year, otherwise you would have to browse as you don't know which page to go to.

[JayG]

I managed to find the images by searching Colsterworth Harris, although it would be more beneficial if the results linked to the actual images rather than just the first page of the register.

Ooh scrap that, if you do an advanced search & select images on results format they do take you to the images!

I've search Colsterworth Harris & got 83 image results.

Two of my main lines come from Lincolnshire, i'm off to play somemore on my names :)

[Rosie Knees]

Thanks for that link. I'd tried the site but not managed to make it work either. Must remember to do advanced searches when on there.

Was also going to ask how I might find out about the licence but now I know I must ring the RO.

Still working on the info for this couple :)

[Rosie Knees]

managed to make the advanced search work. it's just like viewing the images on a microfishe lol. Although the Lincs to the past logo does get in the way on the poorly written baptisms :(