Sarah Jane Lloyd

[Zoemcdougall]

looking for the parents of Sarah Jane LLoyd b. 1855 Saltney Chester married Alfred Brentnall b.1852.

Thankyou
Zoe

[ElizabethHerts]

According to FreeBMD, Saltney is in the Great Boughton Registration district.

The only birth I could find is this:

Name: LLOYD, Sarah Jane
Registration District: Great Boughton
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 8A

I will look at the censuses to see if this can be verified or discarded.

Saltney is technically in Flintshire.

[ElizabethHerts]

I have found this for the 1861 census:

1861 Census
LLOYD, Sarah
GREAT BOUGHTON, Cheshire
RG09 piece 2625 folio 58 page 41

LLOYD, Joseph Head Married M 34 1827 Ag Lab Pirton Cheshire
LLOYD, Mary Wife Married F 37 1824 Shropshire Elsoner
LLOYD, Sarah Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar Chester Cheshire
LLOYD, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Chester Cheshire
LLOYD, Frances Daughter F 0 (8M) 1861 Chester Cheshire
DAVIES, Catherine Lodger Unmarried F 24 1837 Dressmaker Minran

Saltney is just outside Chester.

If this is correct, her parents are Joseph and Mary.

Do you have the marriage certificate for Sarah Jane and Alfred Brentnall? That would confirm who Sarah Jane's father was.

[kiterunner]

I know we're always saying this, but you would be best to get a copy of her marriage certificate to see who her father was. It would be easy to go wrong with a name like Lloyd.

I can't see the marriage just now, though...

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou, all I know 100% that her and her Husband Alfred Brentnall are both buried in Bagillt, As is one of their children Mary Barnett Brentnall (she also had the surnames Gordon and Carr, they were the surnames of her husband's)

[ElizabethHerts]

Name: BRENTNELL, Alfred
Registration District: Help Chester
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 8A
Page No: 613

Name: LLOYD, Sarah Jane
Registration District: Chester
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 8A
Page No: 613

This is the marriage.

[kiterunner]

Oh, the marriage is listed under Brentnell - Alfred Brentnell and Sarah Jane Lloyd, Oct-Dec 1874 Chester, vol 8a p 613.

(snap, Elizabeth!)

[ElizabethHerts]

1871 Census
LLOYD, Sarah
CHESTER, Cheshire
RG10 piece 3723 folio 68 page 40

Sarah appears to be a servant in Chester.

[Zoemcdougall]

I think my Mum's brother would have it, but not convinced he would give me.
So I guess I'll have to get this copy too. but I appreciate the help you have given me. trying to research family ancestry very little to go on is very hard.

[kiterunner]

There is some info on here which may or may not be correct:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/a/w/Michael-Morris-Lawton/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0048.html

It looks very likely that the person who put that information up does have a copy of the marriage certificate as they give the exact date, occupation, residence etc. If you click on the "Home Page" button on that site, it will take you to a page which gives the tree owner's email address, so you could contact him and exchange info - if the email address isn't out of date!

[ElizabethHerts]

1911 Census:

1911 Census
BRENTNALL, Jane
HOLYWELL, Flintshire
Reference RG14PN33921 RG78PN1959 RD619 SD2 ED7 SN211

BRENTNALL, Jane Wife Widow F 57 1854 Hotel Keeper Chester
REID, Louisa Daughter Married F 35 1876 Chester
BRENTNALL, Mary Daughter Single F 27 1884 Assisting In The Business Chester
BRENTNALL, Annie Daughter Single F 21 1890 Assisting In The Business Chester
BRENTNALL, Alfred Son Single M 22 1889 Turner Iron Works Chester
FELSTEAD, Stphen Boarder Single M 19 1892 Baker Chester

Dee Bank Hotell Bagillt Flintshire

[Zoemcdougall]

I have just e,mailed the gentleman that Kite runner so kindly gave me.

[ElizabethHerts]

I got the wrong family then, if Sarah Jane's dad was Charles. :o

It shows that you should always buy the certificate!

[Zoemcdougall]

When Looking at the link Kiterunner gave me, It had quite a few Brentnall's on it, found the name of my grandmother Madge and her Sister Doris on it (Sarah & Alfred's Grandaughters). What I am confused by, he has The name of their parents as "Carr & Polly Brentnall) as far I knew their Parents were called Willian Thomas Carr & Mary Barnett Carr.

[ElizabethHerts]

Zoe, you need to verify this research yourself. I saw one or two things which made me wonder about accuracy.

You have to bite the bullet and work backwards, very methodically.

[Phoenix]

He is probably a relation or has access to family information. Marys were quite often known as Polly, but they are unlikely to be shown as that on any formal document.

[Zoemcdougall]

I am hoping to get a reply from the e.mail I sent him, along with all the info that you have all found for me. it's very much appreciated.

[ElizabethHerts]

If the website is correct, Mary's first husband's surname was Gordon.

This is a Gordon/Carr marriage:

Name: GORDON, Mary B
Registration District: Help Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Carr
Volume No: Help 8A
Page No: Help 841

Name: CARR, William
Registration District: Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Gordon
Volume No: 8A

[ElizabethHerts]

Name: CARR, Doris
Registration District: Holywell
County: Flintshire
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Brentnall
Volume No: 11B



Polly can be a nickname for Mary.

[ElizabethHerts]

Here is the first marriage:

Name: BRENTNALL, Mary Barnett
Registration District: Help Holywell
County: Flintshire
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 11B
Page No: Help 380

Name: GORDON, John
Registration District: Holywell
County: Flintshire
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 11B
Page No: 380

[Zoemcdougall]

Yes Mary did marry twice, 1st husband John Gordon, buried in an unmarked grave in Bagillt, Mary's 2nd husband William Thomas Carr. Mary had 3 children with John and 3 with William.

[ElizabethHerts]

1911 Census
GORDON, Mary Barnett
CONWAY, Carnarvonshire
Reference RG14PN34518 RG78PN1997 RD632 SD1 ED1 SN114

GORDON, John Head Married M 35 1876 Grocer Assistant Bagillt Flint
GORDON, Mary Barnett Wife F 33 1878 Chester
GORDON, John Alfred Son M 10 1901 Bagillt Flint
GORDON, Louisa Daughter F 5 1906 Conway Carnarvon
GORDON, Cyrial Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Conway Carnarvon

[ElizabethHerts]

Name: BRENTNALL, Mary Barnett
Registration District: Chester
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 8A
Page No: 401

This is Mary's birth registration.

[Zoemcdougall]

Just looking through the link that Kiterunner posted, Could Charles Lloyd Married to Sarah Anne Lewis be the parents of Sarah Jane Brentnall nee Lloyd.

[ElizabethHerts]

1891 Census
BRENTNELL, Sarah J
CHESTER, Cheshire
RG12 piece 2863 folio 98 page 25

BRENTNELL, Alfred Head Married M 38 1853 Fitters Labourer Chester Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Sarah J Wife Married F 37 1854 Flint Flintshire
BRENTNELL, Mary B Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar Great Boughton Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Jessie Daughter F 11 1880 Great Boughton Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Jane Daughter F 8 1883 Great Boughton Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Amy Daughter F 7 1884 Great Boughton Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Margaret Daughter F 5 1886 Great Boughton Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Alfred Son M 2 1889 Great Boughton Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Annie Daughter F 1 1890 Great Boughton Cheshire

[ElizabethHerts]

1881 Census
BRENTNELL, Sarah J
CHESTER, Cheshire
RG11 piece 3557 folio 4 page 6

BRENTNELL, Alfred Head Married M 28 1853 Steam Crane Worker (Eng Driver) Chester Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Sarah J Wife Married F 27 1854 Saltney Near Chester
BRENTNELL, Louisa Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Chester Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Mary B Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar Chester Cheshire
BRENTNELL, Jessie Daughter Single F 1 1880 Chester Cheshire

[garstonite]

don`t know whether you have this
www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb

Alfred Brentnall babtised 2nd May 1852 at Chester St John the Babtist
fatherAlfred
mother Hannah
address Union Terrace
occupation Mason
marriage
12th November 1848 in same church
Alfred Brentnall to Hannah Dickinson
groom aged 20 a stonemason
bride a spinster aged 19
grooms father Samuel Brentnall a stone mason
brides father Benjamin Dickinson a plasterer
witnesses Griffith Ireland and John Hibbert
additional information...Great Milton Street ....presume that is the grooms or the brides address
allan

[garstonite]

Alfred Brentnall was babtised on 4th January 1829 in Nuthall, Nottinghamshire
father Samuel mother Elizabeth
allan
added
22nd june 1822 at Bulwell, Nottinghamshire
Samuel Brentnall to Elizabeth Holmes ...on Ancestral file on familysearch - Record Search Pilot
allan:)

[garstonite]

Hannah Mary Dickinson babtised 29th sep 1830 at Chester St John the Babtist
father Benjamin - mother Jane
address Sidney Place
allan

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou Allan, very much appreciated,

Zoe

[Zoemcdougall]

To Kite runner,
Just wanted to say thankyou, for the link you gave to the Family tree maker, I have just had an e.mail from him, it works out he's my mum's cousin. so thankyou.

Zoe

[kiterunner]

You're welcome.