Janet
02-04-11, 07:24
Name - David Pickles
Date and place of birth - 3 Oct 1787
Names of parents - John Pickles of Cowling and Mary his wife
Date and place of baptism - 18 September 1792, St. Andrews Kildwick
Details of each of his or her marriages - 14 March 1816 to Martha Shackleton, St. Andrews Kildwick
Ancestry (transcription) (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=Tjr493&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=fs1englandmarriages&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsfn=David&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=Pi*l*s&gsln_x=1&msgdy=1816&msgdy_x=1&msgpn__ftp=Kildwick,%20Yorkshire,%20England&msgpn=88944&msgpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5292%7C88944% 7C0%7C0%7C&msgpn_x=1&msgpn__ftp_x=1&mssng=Martha&mssng_x=1&cpxt=1&cp=4&catbucket=r&MSAV=2&uidh=9uh&pcat=34&fh=0&h=12440499&recoff=&ml_rpos=1)
FindMyPast (image) (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f13-0743_gb-yor_parish-registers-n-pr-kld-1-21-1537-1900%2f00033&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fmar%2f301590063%2f1&highlights=%22%22)
Bachelor and spinster, he signs, she makes her mark. The witnesses are Peter Watson and William Smith.
Occupation(s) - weaver [at marriage and 1841 census]
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - New Road Side, Cowling, Yorkshire
1841 census
Name: David Pickles
Age: 50
Registration district: Skipton
Sub-registration district: Kildwick
Piece: 1317
Book: 4
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Ancestry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1841&h=14874969&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Tjr493&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&rhSource=9852)
David Pickles 50
Martha Pickles 45
Robert Pickles 20
Stephen Pickles 15
Date, place and cause of death - 22 November 1841 aged 54 probably Cowling, cause unknown
There must be a death cert for him. I should get it.
Date and place of burial - 24 November 1841, Kildwick Church
FindMyPast (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f13-0743_gb-yor_parish-registers-n-pr-kld-1-15-1537-1900%2f00077&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f303838362&highlights=%22%22)
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable - unknown
Memorial inscription - Kildwicke Church, the Pickles grave:
Mary, wife of John Pickles of Cowling, who departed this life 3.11.1822 aged 74 years
the above named John Pickles who departed this life 15.11.1829 aged 66 years
David Pickles, son of the above, who died 22.11.1841* aged 54
Martha his widow who died 1845 aged 54 years
Ann, wife of Robert Pickles who died May 11th 1845 aged 23 years
the said Robert Pickles who died 28.11.1878 aged 59
I am indebted to his other descendant known by her user name Alison on this forum for the memorial inscription she obtained personally from the gravestone. *I've taken the liberty of changing the date of David Pickles' death from 22.11.1829 to 22.11.1841. I can only assume this was a typo, or perhaps due to the fact of a very faded engraving. In any case I now have the image of the burial record from St Andrews Kildwick dated 24.11.1841, and also he was present on the 1841 census taken on 6 June.
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The rest of this entry is what I originally posted. I was quite clueless at the time. Many thanks to all who have helped me along the way, especially Elizabeth who took me by the hand and led me gently away from Heptonstall where there was nothing for me to find. Nor was Mary Holoron or Holoran ever mine.
A lot of the other information is good, but I know a lot more now than I did before. I am somewhat doubtful of the marriage Elizabeth found in post #12 for David's parents but that is a topic for another thread.
Link to their son Robert:
MFMF Robert Pickles (http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16139)
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Name - unknown, father of Robert Pickles
Date and place of birth - 1800-1810? WRY? (RD Skipton, but this birth would precede the 1836 Act)
FMP has 2 plausible births for the son Robert Pickles in Heptonstall, 1829 and 1832. (I can't view them.)
Robert's daughter Emma was b 1854.
Names of parents - unknown
Date and place of baptism - *
Details of each of his or her marriages - unknown
Occupation(s) - unknown
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - probably West Riding of Yorkshire, possibly Lancashire
Date, place and cause of death - unknown
Date and place of burial - unknown
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable - unknown
Memorial inscription - unknown
MFM was Emma Pickles. Regardless of what is said on 1881 census (Sutton-in-Craven), I think she is from Cowling, which is Skipton. Born 1854.
I do believe my mother told me her father's mother's people were from Skipton.
Among the 12 faces on MF/MM wedding photo are two labeled "Uncle David" and "Aunt Ann" by MF. If there were 6 from the groom's side and 6 from the bride's side, then David and Ann are MF's family (I know who the rest are, and 6 are MM's side). Ann looks very much like MFM in same photo, so I'm guessing these are MFM's brother and sister?
So I think I'm looking for siblings Emma, David and Ann born in the right time period to the same mother with surname Pickles in Skipton.
It seems I found an Ann, don't remember where, b 29 May 1857.
In 1881 I have a David Pickles in Cowling b 1844 with wife Sarah and children including "Francis Robt. Pickles". My family photos include a Sarah Pickles, labeled by my mother as "wife of David, mother of Frank". David's birth may actually have been registered in Sep Q 1843.
Emma b Mar Q 1854.
MFF and MFM James Berry-Emma Pickles marriage was June Q 1874 in Settle (FreeBMD).
In 1871 census, i.e., prior to this marriage, there is Emma Pickles age 17 living with her father Robert Pickles in Cowling, along with a Mary Driver also age 17.
In 1881 census Emma and James Berry are living together with their two children Walter and Maggie in Sutton (Keighley). But the marriage breaks up.
In 1891 census, Walter is living with James; Emma is nearby with Maggie and a boarder the same age as Emma, by the name of Mary Haigh. Are you curious? I got curious. Yes, Mary Driver married William Haigh in Huddersfield Dec Q 1874 (9a 491). Emma and Mary are back together again. I think I am happy for them.
By the 1901 census, I find an Emma Berry of the right age living with a Pickles family in Cowling. Head of household is Frederick Pickles, and I know that there was a Fred Pickles in my family.
So I would say the Emma in 1871 with father Robert Pickles is definitely my MFM. Now, who is Robert's father?
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
P.S. I found a marriage of Robert Pickles and Mary Holoron/Holoran in Dec Q 1853 Skipton 9a 87. It appears that Emma's mother was Irish, but that's a story for another day and another thread!
P.P.S. Yes, I am going to get some certificates.
*MF/MM's marriage certificate (1900 Leeds) says ceremony was Wesleyan Methodist. Not sure which side was, or if both were, Wesleyan, nor how many generations back that might go.
Date and place of birth - 3 Oct 1787
Names of parents - John Pickles of Cowling and Mary his wife
Date and place of baptism - 18 September 1792, St. Andrews Kildwick
Details of each of his or her marriages - 14 March 1816 to Martha Shackleton, St. Andrews Kildwick
Ancestry (transcription) (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=Tjr493&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=fs1englandmarriages&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsfn=David&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=Pi*l*s&gsln_x=1&msgdy=1816&msgdy_x=1&msgpn__ftp=Kildwick,%20Yorkshire,%20England&msgpn=88944&msgpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5292%7C88944% 7C0%7C0%7C&msgpn_x=1&msgpn__ftp_x=1&mssng=Martha&mssng_x=1&cpxt=1&cp=4&catbucket=r&MSAV=2&uidh=9uh&pcat=34&fh=0&h=12440499&recoff=&ml_rpos=1)
FindMyPast (image) (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f13-0743_gb-yor_parish-registers-n-pr-kld-1-21-1537-1900%2f00033&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fmar%2f301590063%2f1&highlights=%22%22)
Bachelor and spinster, he signs, she makes her mark. The witnesses are Peter Watson and William Smith.
Occupation(s) - weaver [at marriage and 1841 census]
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - New Road Side, Cowling, Yorkshire
1841 census
Name: David Pickles
Age: 50
Registration district: Skipton
Sub-registration district: Kildwick
Piece: 1317
Book: 4
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Ancestry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1841&h=14874969&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Tjr493&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&rhSource=9852)
David Pickles 50
Martha Pickles 45
Robert Pickles 20
Stephen Pickles 15
Date, place and cause of death - 22 November 1841 aged 54 probably Cowling, cause unknown
There must be a death cert for him. I should get it.
Date and place of burial - 24 November 1841, Kildwick Church
FindMyPast (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f13-0743_gb-yor_parish-registers-n-pr-kld-1-15-1537-1900%2f00077&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f303838362&highlights=%22%22)
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable - unknown
Memorial inscription - Kildwicke Church, the Pickles grave:
Mary, wife of John Pickles of Cowling, who departed this life 3.11.1822 aged 74 years
the above named John Pickles who departed this life 15.11.1829 aged 66 years
David Pickles, son of the above, who died 22.11.1841* aged 54
Martha his widow who died 1845 aged 54 years
Ann, wife of Robert Pickles who died May 11th 1845 aged 23 years
the said Robert Pickles who died 28.11.1878 aged 59
I am indebted to his other descendant known by her user name Alison on this forum for the memorial inscription she obtained personally from the gravestone. *I've taken the liberty of changing the date of David Pickles' death from 22.11.1829 to 22.11.1841. I can only assume this was a typo, or perhaps due to the fact of a very faded engraving. In any case I now have the image of the burial record from St Andrews Kildwick dated 24.11.1841, and also he was present on the 1841 census taken on 6 June.
================================================== ========
The rest of this entry is what I originally posted. I was quite clueless at the time. Many thanks to all who have helped me along the way, especially Elizabeth who took me by the hand and led me gently away from Heptonstall where there was nothing for me to find. Nor was Mary Holoron or Holoran ever mine.
A lot of the other information is good, but I know a lot more now than I did before. I am somewhat doubtful of the marriage Elizabeth found in post #12 for David's parents but that is a topic for another thread.
Link to their son Robert:
MFMF Robert Pickles (http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16139)
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Name - unknown, father of Robert Pickles
Date and place of birth - 1800-1810? WRY? (RD Skipton, but this birth would precede the 1836 Act)
FMP has 2 plausible births for the son Robert Pickles in Heptonstall, 1829 and 1832. (I can't view them.)
Robert's daughter Emma was b 1854.
Names of parents - unknown
Date and place of baptism - *
Details of each of his or her marriages - unknown
Occupation(s) - unknown
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - probably West Riding of Yorkshire, possibly Lancashire
Date, place and cause of death - unknown
Date and place of burial - unknown
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable - unknown
Memorial inscription - unknown
MFM was Emma Pickles. Regardless of what is said on 1881 census (Sutton-in-Craven), I think she is from Cowling, which is Skipton. Born 1854.
I do believe my mother told me her father's mother's people were from Skipton.
Among the 12 faces on MF/MM wedding photo are two labeled "Uncle David" and "Aunt Ann" by MF. If there were 6 from the groom's side and 6 from the bride's side, then David and Ann are MF's family (I know who the rest are, and 6 are MM's side). Ann looks very much like MFM in same photo, so I'm guessing these are MFM's brother and sister?
So I think I'm looking for siblings Emma, David and Ann born in the right time period to the same mother with surname Pickles in Skipton.
It seems I found an Ann, don't remember where, b 29 May 1857.
In 1881 I have a David Pickles in Cowling b 1844 with wife Sarah and children including "Francis Robt. Pickles". My family photos include a Sarah Pickles, labeled by my mother as "wife of David, mother of Frank". David's birth may actually have been registered in Sep Q 1843.
Emma b Mar Q 1854.
MFF and MFM James Berry-Emma Pickles marriage was June Q 1874 in Settle (FreeBMD).
In 1871 census, i.e., prior to this marriage, there is Emma Pickles age 17 living with her father Robert Pickles in Cowling, along with a Mary Driver also age 17.
In 1881 census Emma and James Berry are living together with their two children Walter and Maggie in Sutton (Keighley). But the marriage breaks up.
In 1891 census, Walter is living with James; Emma is nearby with Maggie and a boarder the same age as Emma, by the name of Mary Haigh. Are you curious? I got curious. Yes, Mary Driver married William Haigh in Huddersfield Dec Q 1874 (9a 491). Emma and Mary are back together again. I think I am happy for them.
By the 1901 census, I find an Emma Berry of the right age living with a Pickles family in Cowling. Head of household is Frederick Pickles, and I know that there was a Fred Pickles in my family.
So I would say the Emma in 1871 with father Robert Pickles is definitely my MFM. Now, who is Robert's father?
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
P.S. I found a marriage of Robert Pickles and Mary Holoron/Holoran in Dec Q 1853 Skipton 9a 87. It appears that Emma's mother was Irish, but that's a story for another day and another thread!
P.P.S. Yes, I am going to get some certificates.
*MF/MM's marriage certificate (1900 Leeds) says ceremony was Wesleyan Methodist. Not sure which side was, or if both were, Wesleyan, nor how many generations back that might go.