Ann unknown, later William, 1802, Llantrisant

[Nell]

This is all I know:

Ann/e was born abt 1802 in Llantrisant, Glamorgan.

It's not that I can't find a marriage, its that there are dozens of Thomas William/Williamses marrying Ann/es!

1851 HO 107/2456 194 p.10
Castell Pentwyn, Pendoylan
Thomas William head 52 ag lab b. Pendoylan
Anne William wife 48/9 Pentyrch
Evan William son 9 scholar b. Pendoylan
Elizabeth Thomas mother-in-law 80 annuitant b Pendoylan
[have been through whole 22 pages of Pendoylan and this is the only possible family.]

1861 - possible
RG9/4042 21 p.7 4 Pendoylan Village
Thomas Williams head 62 ag lab b. Pendoylan
Ann wife 59 b. Llantrisant
Ann daur unm. 32 basket maker [blind since she was 5 years old] b Bonvilston [south of Pendoylan]
THOMAS unm. 29 ag lab b. Pendoylan
Rachel daur unm. 22 b. Pendoylan
James Williams, grandson 1 b. Pendoylan

Again, plenty of Ann/e Williams deaths to choose from!

Link to ex's gt gt grandfather: http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=6422

[Merry]

For what it's worth,1841:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8979&iid=GLAHO107_1415_1416-0426&fn=Rachel&ln=William&st=r&ssrc=&pid=16136479

I see Rachel is a lodger in 1851, but didn't look for Ann jr or Thomas.

There's an absolute minimum of two good matches for the Mo-in-Law, Elizabeth Thomas, in 1841 within five miles of the 1951 addy.

You have my sympathies with the Welsh research. I recently purchased four birth certs to help a lady with her tree (all t discover the mmns). Three of the four birth certs were for a child named Jones. Two of the Jones birth certs turned out to be mmn Jones as was the case with the non-Jones cert. Two mums and two dad's had exact matching names. It is so confusing, because it's impossible to remember any of the tree.

[Nell]

Thank you Merry, I've added that census entry as a definite possible.

This is ex's family. He's got 2 gt x 3 grandfathers called Thomas William(s) and 3 others with first name Thomas. Two of his gt x 3 grandmothers are called Ann(e) Thomas. If only they'd been more imaginative and at least chosen first names of distinction like Aneurin and Myfanwy!

[Nell]

I have a headache!

I've got this possible 1841 family

1841 - possible Piece: 1416/19 Folio: 008 Schedule: 037
District: Cardiff Enumeration District: 9 Pendoylan, West
Address: Bolgoed
[current map shows Bolgoed Farm as a few miles north of Pendoylan]
Thomas William 50 (c1791) Farmer YES (born in County)
Anne William 50 (c1791) YES
Margaret William 15 (c1826) YES
Mary William 15 (c1826) YES
Anne William 13 (c1828) YES
>>>>Thomas William 7 (c1834) YES

but looking at both the 1841 families and 1851 and 1861 I'm not sure that any of them match properly. I can't see what I'm doing any more. Any help gratefully received!

[Merry]

Well, I think the 1841 I found is the same family as the 1851 and 1861 you posted first. Mainly because Rachel is there in 1841 and 1861 and a lodger (with a Thomas family, possibly relatives?) in 1851.

Who is the main character for your ex's tree? Thomas, b early 1830s? I guess all you have that's 100% for him is a father on his marriage cert and post marriage census stuff?

[Nell]

Yes, Merry, Thomas is the gt x 2 grandfather and you are completely right in your guess about the information I have on him.

[kiterunner]

There is an Evan Williams birth registered Apr-Jun 1842 Cardiff vol 26 p 376 which could be Thomas and Ann's son. If it's him then the birth cert would give you Ann's maiden name / confirm it is Thomas (since mother-in-law Elizabeth Thomas may have remarried between Ann's birth and 1851, or could be Thomas's stepmother rather than Ann's mother).

[Nell]

Thanks KiteRunner.