can anyone find me more info on denis please

[brenmac]

Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837


Irish Heritage Collection


PreviewName: Denis McCartie Esquire
County: Cork



Name: Denis McCartie Esquire
Residence: year - township, city, Cork, Ireland

i beleive this is my hubbies ggratgrandad,father of john who came to england.denis is the father of john on his marriage lines..found this on ancestry but not a paid member.brenda xxx

[WendyPusey]

Is this what you wanted Brenda?

Denis McCartie Esquire

County - Cork
Parish - Cullen
Townland - Flintfield
Years - 1827

[Merry]

Millstreet (where John was b in 1846) and Cullen are about 40 miles apart.

[brenmac]

wendy....merry yes john was born 1846..im trying to see if this is the dennis on his marriage certs as john married twice and father on first was a farmer land owner and deceased and on second deceased and had independant means...so i was hoping in some way i can put the 2 together.because john was born mills street cork.we have been to mills street and its one long road only.local vicer couldnt help us as we thought he would be buried in this graveyard as he died i beleive in ireland...if not then in london when john came to london as a young boy.brenda xxx

[brenmac]

i have a papers on the mccartie,s of cullen could this be the family im looking for ?brenda xxx

[Merry]

I'm not sure how any of us could know, Bren?

I wonder if these are to do with the father of your John?

The Morning Post, Thursday, February 09, 1832

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/merry_monty_montgomery/TheMorningPostThursdayFebruary091832.jpg

The Lancaster Gazette, and General Advertiser for Lancashire, Westmorland, Yorkshire, Saturday, April 09, 1870

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/merry_monty_montgomery/TheLancasterGazetteandGeneralAdvertiserforLancashi reWestmorlandYorkshireSaturdayApril091870.jpg

[brenmac]

o dont know mery but thats intresting.not many spelt our way with the mccartie.thankyou brenda xxx

[Merry]

Page 316:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ITIQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA316&dq=denis+m'cartie+cork&hl=en&ei=MG6GTYqSN4iGhQf-85jRBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=denis%20m'cartie%20cork&f=false

[brenmac]

thankyou merry.it wont let me print it out.brenda xxx

[Merry]

Hmmmm, the Denis in Cullen is still there in 1840 (he needs to move soon if he's John's father!), listed in A topographical dictionary of Ireland 1840. His home was called Derrigh.

[Merry]

Oh no, you'r OK - there must be more than one place called Millstreet as that last ref has it only 3½ miles from Cullen (page 442)

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3MQ_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA442&dq=%22denis+mccartie%22+millstreet&hl=en&ei=RfmGTeO7L4qFhQfKlP3OBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22denis%20mccartie%22%20millstreet&f=false

[brenmac]

the mill street we went to was one road at one end was the cathalick church and the other end was a kingdom hall lol.but pubs plenty.it was still in the dark ages.an american rellie who i found is coming to london on the 8th april and were meeting and im taking all i have to show here.the names it mentions is in some papers i have so its the right denis but is it johns dad?thats the big question.i dont know whether we will know for sure unles he came with the young john to england.thankyou merry brenda xxxlol brenda xxxx

[kiterunner]

This is Millstreet:

http://www.cork-guide.ie/millstreet/town.html

[Merry]

Bren, which is the first census you have John on?

[brenmac]

merry we have johns police papers when he was an inspector and a paper cutting when he died,other than his marriage certs we have nothing else as he was born in ireland.but on the mariage certs it say father denis deceased on both,but one a farmer,and the othe of independant means.we have an old letter written 1900,from one brother to the other when in the army,brenda xxx

[brenmac]

http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk479/brendamccartie/policecert.jpg

[Merry]

Bren I've had to delete the images of the marriage certs for John McCartie as, for copyright reasons, we are not allowed to post up the whole image.

[Merry]

Which is the first census you have for John?

[brenmac]

here what was found on ftf 2007
1891,richmond surrey rg12/620
denis 13
edward 5
elizabet 8
frances 3
james11
john 42 inspector of police
mary 41 curtis
robert 15 copyest civil service war office (this was trevor,s grandad)
thats ok merry i dont know how to crop...... i think this denis was named after the denis im looking for..brenda xxx

[kiterunner]

He's on the 1871 census at Marylebone Police Station, John McCartie, unmarried, age 23, police constable, born Ireland.

[brenmac]

this is the death of john and it mentions his family den and ada i beleive this is the denis aged 13 on the above census..brenda xxxhttp://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk479/brendamccartie/papercuttingonmccartie.jpg

[brenmac]

He's on the 1871 census at Marylebone Police Station, John McCartie, unmarried, age 23, police constable, born Ireland.

yes he married at the first mary aged 27..
46 to the other mary..brenda xxx

[Merry]

I can see him on the 1881 and 1871 as well.

[Merry]

Oops cross posted. So do you know if he was here in 1861?

[brenmac]

we beleive he came from ireland as a young boy but not sure if he came alone on the ship or with parents,brenda xxx

[brenmac]

can you privately email the census for me please brenda xxx

[Merry]

this is the death of john and it mentions his family den and ada i beleive this is the denis aged 13 on the above census..brenda xxx

Yes I'm sure it is. Doesn't help with his father though!!

[brenmac]

john as born1846,mills street cork ireland ..brenda xxx

[kiterunner]

It says 1846 on that police service record.

[Merry]

It says 1846 on that police service record.

That's what I was going to say. :)

[brenmac]

sorry then i have mistaken the 6 for an 8 must go speck savers lol brenda xxx