Help reading name on 1851 please

[Joan of Archives]

I would like to know whether this lady on the 1851 really was Catherine Heton ? I wondered if it was Holden lol!

Class: HO107; Piece: 1552; Folio: 756; Page: 53; GSU roll: 174782-174783.

I have tried so hard to decipher it & find out her husband's name & her maiden name, can anyone help me?

Thanks :)

[Joan of Archives]

Ooooo does anyone think it could be Catherine Hilder? I found a marriage for a Catherine Lyne to a Richard Hilder in 1822 :)

[Rachel]

Would love to help but no Ancestry now ~ how frustrating

[Merry]

Ooooo does anyone think it could be Catherine Hilder? I found a marriage for a Catherine Lyne to a Richard Hilder in 1822 :)

Is Lyne Wm Evans mmn then?

Was it an LMA marriage? Was she a minor?

[Joan of Archives]

That's ok Rachel I have only just got it back courtesy of Tesco's Clubcard points lol! :d

[Merry]

Here's Catherine with Richard's children in 1841:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=MDXHO107_682_683-0570&fn=Editha&ln=Hilder&st=d&ssrc=&pid=7393690

[Merry]

??

Death Reg:
Name: Catherine Hilder
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 387

[Merry]

Yes, I think it says Hilder :)

Name: Samuel Evans
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Lyne
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Dec 1814
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden

Wm Evans'parents.

[Joan of Archives]

That's them Merry thanks! I am trying to find Mary Ann Lyne's baptism, but without much luck lol! I think that Catherine must have been her sister, hence William's aunt on the 1851 census. I can't find any of her children in 1851 though (Editha & Mary Hilder?) I think Elizabeth Lyne aged 75 in 1841 was the mother of Catherine & Mary Ann, & was married to Charles Lyne.

Annoyingly I can't find the baptisms to prove it though :( Can anyone tell me which Parish St George's was in that Catherine may have been baptised in (place of birth on 1841 census)

[Rachel]

Is that St George's Hanover Sq ?

[Joan of Archives]

Is that anywhere near St Pancras Rachel?

[Rachel]

Is that anywhere near St Pancras Rachel?

erm ...... it's sort of Kensington .... oh look

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:St_George_Hanover_Square_Reg istration_District,_1841
_Census_Street_Index

Not sure where St Pancras is at the mo

Here's a map (I hope)

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ernk_lssbd&xhr=t&q=st+pancras&cp=5&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

darn .... OK Hanover Sq is near Regent Street and New Bond Street and St Pancras (the station) is near Grays Inn and the British Library

[Merry]

Hmmmm.....St George?

There's

St George the Martyr, Queen Square, Holborn

St George, Bloomsbury

St George, Hanover Square

I would class the above as close together.

Other 'further away' St Georges:

St George in the East

St George Camberwell

St George Battersea

And I'm sure there are more, esp in South London, but I can't remember. I'm no expert, so, like buses, expect another three at once later!

[Rachel]

Hmmm .... St George Hanover Sq seems unlikely

[Phoenix]

I would guess we are talking St George the Martyr rather than St George Bloomsbury (you would probably refer to the latter as just Bloomsbury)

[Asa]

Are we talking about the birthplace from the 1851 census? I can't read the letters after St George but as they are living in Stepney I would expect it to be St George's in the East (which is Stepney). In my experience, 'St George's Middlesex' at this time usually refers to St George Hanover Square or St George in the East - but the birthplaces on this folio are a bit vague to say the least.

[Joan of Archives]

Thanks everyone, I can't get to grips with the new Familysearch at all, so Catherine Lyne birth circa 1804-6 seems impossible to find! :(

I guess I will try a "trawl" of those churches mentioned on Ancestry & see what I come up with. A job for a very rainy day methinks :rolleyes:

[Merry]

I did ask Ancestry why some of the St George Bloomsbury baps were not showing on the transcriptons after they said they had finished the LMA records. They were looking into it a couple of months ago. I trawled the 12 years I needed for my family and sadly I've not kept a note of the exact records I complained about :o You may find there'sa problm with other churches too - I doubt there was only one error!

[Joan of Archives]

Can anyone find a baptism for her on Familysearch? At least to narrow down the years a bit lol!

[Merry]

Nothing on the pilot site.

Don't know how to work the Beta site.

On the old FS there's

Eliza Lyne bap 17th Feb 1795 at Saint Clement Danes, Westminster, London

Elizabeth Rebecca Lyne bap 29th Sept 1799 at Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London.

Sophia Line bap Dec 1801 at Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London.

All children of Charles and Elizabeth.

[Joan of Archives]

Nothing on the pilot site.

Don't know how to work the Beta site.

On the old FS there's

Eliza Lyne bap 17th Feb 1795 at Saint Clement Danes, Westminster, London

Elizabeth Rebecca Lyne bap 29th Sept 1799 at Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London.

Sophia Line bap Dec 1801 at Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London.

All children of Charles and Elizabeth.

:( Oh dear that's very helpful lol! :d

[Merry]

How do you know Charles's name?

[Joan of Archives]

How do you know Charles's name?

Er not sure what you mean?? :confused:

[Merry]

Earlier you said:

I think Elizabeth Lyne aged 75 in 1841 was the mother of Catherine & Mary Ann, & was married to Charles Lyne.



Which sounded as if you meant you had seen an Elizabeth Lyne in 1841 and decided she was the mum of the other two (do you know she is?) and then you had conjured up a name for her husband! As I presume your not guessing (:p), how did you know his name was Charles?

[Joan of Archives]

I think her parents MAY have been Charles & Elizabeth because they were witnesses on Mary Ann's marriage to Samuel Evans, plus it seems to tie up with their son William living with his aunt Catherine, who was formerly Lyne :rolleyes:

Also there is a baptism for a Mary Ann Lyne, parents Charles & Elizabeth, on 25 Dec 1797 in Marylebone, Westminster. There were also sisters Elizabeth Rebecca Lynne b. 1799 & Sophia b. 1802. This doesn't tie in with St George's though does it? :confused:

Catherine Hilder (Lyne) married Richard Hilder in 1822, & her sister Sophia & father Charles were witnesses. That would tie in nicely as I had Sophia & Elizabeth as Mary Ann's sisters already :)

In 1871 Sophia (who married William Williams) is living with her sister, Mary Ann Evans (formerly Lyne) so I think that is pretty conclusive! Now all I need to do is find Catherine Lyne-Hilder's baptism & I have the full set lol!

[Merry]

As long as the witnesses are parents and not 1st cousins twice removed! :rolleyes::p

[Joan of Archives]

Yes I did think of that lol! Interestingly, I suspect that Catherine & Maryann's mother Elizabeth was formerly Gilbert, & have already found a Gilbert as a witness on another Lyne marriage, so I am busy putting the records in my shoebox for a more detailed look later lol!

[Merry]

Sounds just like my Maynards and McCrerys :(

[Joan of Archives]

Has Ancestry gone mad? I can't find the baptism for Mary Lyne at all now! :confused: I know it was there as I saved it, 25th December 1797!

Oer!:(

[Merry]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1624&iid=31280_194664-00731&fn=Mary+Ann&ln=Lyme&st=r&ssrc=&pid=798882

:D

[Joan of Archives]

:p

Why on earth doesn't it come up on my search though?? :confused:

Another thing I think I have broken Familysearch lol! :d

[Merry]

I expect you spelled the surname correctly? I didn't put the surname in at all because you said you were having problems, just the bap date and then Mary for forename. The entry is under Lyme. I would have thought that would come up with Soundex on though, otherwise I guess you wouldn't have come across the bap in the first place! I didn't try re-searching with Soundex.