Charles Burgess

[geniebug]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Charles Burgefs

Date and place of birth
Don't know

Names of parents
Don't have

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Married Ann Brown on 12 July 1813 at St Marylebone

Occupation(s) - if any
Servant in 1835 in Middlesex

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
Don't know

Date, place and cause of death
Don't know

Date and place of burial.

Don't know

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

Don't know


Children Charles Burgess b 6 Aug 1814 Marylebone, Middlesex, Anne Burgess B 19 Jun 1817, Holborn, London and Robert Burgess b 1 June 1820, Holborn, London

[Lindsay]

Is 'Burgefs' Burgess written the old-fashioned way? When there was a double s the first one was written like an F.

I have a family called Jessamy which was often written Jefsamy .

[geniebug]

I don't know when it changed, but it was shown as Burgefs in 1813 - by the time the children were born it was Burgess 1814 - 20 and thence onwards.

[kiterunner]

Would you like the thread title changed to Charles Burgess? That other way is just an old way of writing a double s; he didn't actually have an "f" in his name.

[geniebug]

OK thanks Kiterunner - I just thought it would be easier if anyone was looking back further that it would be spelt Burgefs. But please change it :)

[tenterfieldjulie]

I had the same thing with my Burgess in Ireland Jood, and was told that it originated in Germany. Obviously not, it must be Olde English.

[geniebug]

This person Charles Burgess has been discussed earlier in this message. I am trying to find out if he was in the 1841 census i.e Charles & Ann Burgess, presumably around London way.

Hopefully they were still alive at the time of the 1841 census. Am guessing their ages to be about 50? Or Robert and Ann who would have been 21 and 24 respectively.

[kiterunner]

There are a couple of Roberts in Marylebone in 1841 aged 20 but not with parents.

Charles and Ann's wedding actually took place 9th Aug 1813, with witnesses W Gray, William Robinson, and Eleanor Pink. Quite an assortment of colours what with Ann's surname being Brown! The banns were read 27th June and 4th and 11th July.

Charles senior's occupation on Charles jr's baptism is servant. I can't see the other two children's baptisms in the images on ancestry.

[kiterunner]

There is a Robert Burgess who married Anna Susan Holton (or Helton?) 29 Mar 1851 at St George Bloomsbury, full age, occupation clerk, residence 2 Orange St, father Charles Burgess, butler. Witnesses Sophia Holton and Henry Collins. One of the Roberts I mentioned on the 1841 census was a clerk:
1841 ancestry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=rob*&gsln=burg*s&sx=&f1=&f2=&f3=&f18=&rg_81004011__date=1821&rs_81004011__date=0&_82004011=&_82004013=&f7=&f20=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1841&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=11&h=7345437&recoff=8+9&fsk=CIAAIxIAH2EL&bsk=&pgoff=&ml_rpos=12)

[kiterunner]

You say that Charles Burgess was a servant in 1835, Jood - where did that information come from, please?

[geniebug]

Kate I got the undermentioned info

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Charles Burgess
Spouse: Ann Brown
9 Aug 1813
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster

Charles was a bachelor and Ann a spinster, no indication either was a minor.

Witnesses:
W Gray, William Robinson and (looks like) Ellen Pink/Jink.

Servant in 1835, Middlesex

from a place in Glos when my daughter and I visited there in 1991. We saw documents, probably from a book. I can't recall the name of the actual building, but it was obviously a research centre (I can still vaguely remember what the place looked like)

I recall seeing two of the children's births when I was in Glos, the third one Charles Jnr, I already had the details.

Not sure why I put their date of marriage as 12 July as it clearly shows in my records as 9 Aug 1813 (same as you)

The Robert Burgess who married Anna sounds good tho I could not see the 1841 Census. Would I assume the parents Charles & Ann were deceased by 1841?

[kiterunner]

Would I assume the parents Charles & Ann were deceased by 1841?

Not until we find their deaths!

[geniebug]

:d sorry Kate, I had a bit of a giggle :d

[kiterunner]

Me too, Jood.

[geniebug]

Kate a tiny bit of success. My daughter sent away for my daughter sent away for information on Charles Snr's son Robert - and we have discovered Robert was born 22 May 1820, baptised 1 June 1820, date of death 1 June 1820, and that Charles the father was a warehouseman. It says Ann was 35 (that's what it looks like) - so it gives an indication she was born c. 1786. (This was from some hospital records). Yet to find a death register which might show Charles & Ann :(