Callaghan McCarthy abt 1800 Cork, Ireland - 1877 London

[Nell]

None of the information below would have been available until the marvellous Merry helped me

I don't know when Callaghan or his wife came to England.
poss marriage? Calahan Mc Carthy & Mary Murphy 14 Nov 1825 Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster

1841 ~ not yet found

1851
Saffron Hill, London
Cal. McCarthy head 46 potato dealer Ireland
Mary McCarthy wife 45 Ireland
Bridget McCarthy daur 18 Middx St. Andrews
Eliza McCarthy daur 16 Middx St. Andrews
John McCarthy son 14 Middx St. Andrews
Mary Ann daur 11 Middx St. Andrews
Julia McCarthy daur 8 Middx St. Andrews
Catherine McCarthy daur 4 Middx St. Andrews

1861 ~ not yet found


1871 [fits with death below]
38 Great Saffron Hill
Callaching [sic] McCarthy 65 head greengrocer Ireland Fermoy
M A Mc Carthy 67 wife greengrocer Ireland Killkenny
M A Stastto [Stratton] daur mar 30 b. London St. Andrews


Death:
Callaghan McCarthy, age 76,greengrocer, died 18 Mar 1877 at 26 Saffron Hill, of pneumonia. His married daughter Mary Ann Stratton was the informant.

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Edit 29 Apr 2018. Have just found Callaghan's burial on Findmypast. His funeral was at the Roman Catholic church St. Etheldreda's in Holborn, his address was 38 Saffron Hill. Burial at SS Maria, Kensal Green 26 Mar 1877./COLOR]

Link to ex's gt gt grandfather: http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9825

[maggie_4_7]

"I don't know when Callaghan or his wife came to England.
poss marriage? Calahan Mc Carthy & Mary Murphy 14 Nov 1825 Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster"

So can we assume they were protestant then?

[Nell]

I don't know that this is the marriage, Maggie. It might be. I don't know when Callaghan or his wife came to England.

I will get a birth cert for one of their children to get Mary's maiden name when I am in funds.

As for their being Protestant, all I can say is that all their children married in C of E churches. But I haven't found any baptisms. So it might be that the baptisms were in churches not on Ancestry, or that they were Catholics but married in C of E churches because it was more socially acceptable or because their spouses were C of E.

[Merry]

I will get a birth cert for one of their children to get Mary's maiden name when I am in funds.



And when you can find one! (I couldn't) :(

[maggie_4_7]

And when you can find one! (I couldn't) :(

Yeah I was just thinking that too!

[Nell]

Well, there's that too. Pesky McCarthys and Marsdens and Robins. All in ex's tree and all a nightmare!

[tenterfieldjulie]

Nell when I was in Ireland in 2009 I visited the Immigration Museum and Heritage Centre at Cobh (pronounced Cove) outside Cork. Cobh used to be called Queenstown. Cobh was the largest immigration port from Ireland. It is where the mass migration of people left from after the potato famine to the USA and the world. It was the last port of call of the Titanic. When I find the literature about it I will let you know, as enquiries could be made about all the people who left from there and it is where most people left from. I'm not sure if it was a paid site or not.

[Merry]

Erm, we are looking for them in Saffron Hll London, not America!! They came from Ireland to England probably in he 1820s.

[Asa]

I once read an article - which I can't find - written in the first half of the C19th which claimed that although the majority of the Irish immigrants in the Saffron Hill area were RC, they tended to bend to the will of whichever priest braved the slum. I have Cork and Kerry ancestors there in the 1840s-60s and although I have some evidence that they were RC (even up to the end of the century), they did often marry (when they do) in C of E churches. I suppose like many immigrants they lived within their own rules to some extent and I've never come across a baptism with my lot so I assume that if they were baptised they were baptised RC.

Birth registration is no better - my great grandfather was born 1875/6, the sixth of eight that I know of and I've never found a birth cert for any of them.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Merry I believe Queenstown (Cobh) in Ireland was the major immigration port to everywhere. I read somewhere that it has passenger lists of all who sailed from Cobh and that included UK. The famine migration to the States (Ellis Island), Convicts (Australia) and the last port of call of the Titanic, are just major exhibits in the museum. Hopefully when I find the literature it may be of help to Nell Sorry my post was confused.

[Merry]

No, your post wasn't confused. I don't have any Irish ancestors so I have always just accepted it when people have said there are no records of people coming from Ireland to the UK! If that is wrong I'd be very interested to know.

[Nell]

Me too! I always thought Irish-English migration counted as being in the same country so it wasn't recorded.

I suppose a ship going from Ireland elsewhere might count passengers who got off in England.

As for the potato famine, it was in the 1840s and the evidence appears to be that Callaghan and his wife were already in London and having children before that.

[Phoenix]

There is this in 1841: HO 107/733/7 F 24

D McCarty
M McCarty
Biddy 8
Jenny 12
John 3
Eliza 6
Mary 1
?Judy? 3/13??

It says all born Ireland, but that might simply mean both parents Irish, if the question were misunderstood.

[Phoenix]

I'd just point out re the marriage - nobody could contract a legal marriage pre 1837 unless c of e, quaker or jew.

[Phoenix]

They are at 37 Saffron Hill in 1861: RG09 piece 187 folio 62 page 34


That is saying that son John aged 25 was born in Kilkenny

[Nell]

Phoenix

Many thanks, off to look now!

[WendyPusey]

Have you seen these baptisms Nell?

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/b752aa0284071

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8898620077542

[Phoenix]

Big if, but if Mary were a Murphy from Kerry, might Philip Murphy (in the same building in 1861) also from Kerry be at least a rellie, if not her brother?

[Nell]

Phoenix I can't find the 1861 info using the ref you provided.

[Nell]

Wendy

Thanks for those, I've added them as possibles.

[Phoenix]

Perhaps it's one of those missing pages on Ancestry?
pm me and I'll send you the image.

[Nell]

Found them in 1861 many thanks.

[Nell]

It's looking promising that Philip Murphy is connected, so I've made a note of him. I see he and Mary McCarty both say born Kerry, whereas elsewhere Mary says born Kilkenny which is where their son is saying he's born 1861.

I do wish peeps would stick to one birthplace (preferably the right one).

But I'm very grateful to all who have contributed to this thread - I've found out more in less than a week here than I did in the previous 10+ years!

[Nell]

Hoping that their visitor 1861 Mary Marlow b Ireland, unmarried 35 might be a clue.

[Phoenix]

Just a thought, and I wouldn't know how to prove it, but if I've found the right family in 1841 and Dennis was calling himself James, if Cal couldn't write and the enumerator scribbled James down quickly, it might look like Jenny, so he assumed it must be a girl.

I realise this sounds far-fetched, but best mate's aunt Flo is down as Clarence, male, in the 1901!

[Nell]

Worth thinking about, thanks Phoenix.