Elizabeth Callard nee Musgrave, Somerset

[tenterfieldjulie]

Name: Elizabeth Musgrave, known as "Betty"
Date and place of birth: 1790 Milverton, Somerset (one of nine children)
Names of parents: John Musgrave and Charity Dyer
Date and place of baptism: 31 October 1790, Milverton, Somerset
Marriage: 10 August, 1817 to James Callard Milverton C of E by banns
Witnesses Jane Musgrave, John Sealy. Both (?) sojourners.
(Register Transcription by David Cheek)
Occupation: Washerwoman Milverton 1841 (seven children)
Addresses: Milverton Somerset. (Husband, James Callard died 1849.)
1841 Census
CALLOW, Betty - WELLINGTON, Somersetshire
HO107 piece 951 folio 8/25 page 11
Address: High Street, Milverton
CALLOW, Betty F 50 1791 Somerset Washerwoman
CALLOW, William M 20 1821 Somerset Ag. Lab
CALLOW, John M 15 1826 Somerset Mason
CALLOW, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Somerset
CALLOW, Robert M 12 1829 Somerset
FMP transcribes them as Callow, and the image clearly shows the surname as Callow – the enumerator obviously couldn’t spell their surname.
1851 Census Milverton, Somerset - John 30 years Unmarried Farm Labourer, Elizabeth 26 years,
Unmarried Farm Labourer, Elizabeth 61 years Widow Head.
1861 Census – Houndsmoor, Milverton – Betty Callard W 70 House proprietor born Milverton;
1871 Census – Houndsmoor, Milverton – Betty Callard W 81 born Milverton.
Date, place and cause of death: October 1871, Somerset (Death registered as Callow)
Date and place of burial: 15/10/1871 St. Michael's C of E, Milverton, Somerset
Details of will: Unknown
Memorial inscription: Unknown

Children: unless Robert survived .. only 2 children who survived her were in NSW.
Sarah 1817-1899 m John Sloman died NSW
William 1820 - poss death June Q 1841 Wellington (Collard)
John 1822-1904 died NSW
Elizabeth 1824 - poss death June Q 1856 Wellington
Thomas 1827-1835
Robert 1829 (lost after 1841 Census)
Charlotte 1832-1841

[Sabrina]

Julie, I think this might be her in 1861, living Milverton:

Betty Callard, Head, W, 70, House Proprietor, Milveton

Ref: RG9; Piece: 1609; Folio: 91; Page: 4

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1861&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=c*llard&msbdy=1790&msypn__ftp=milverton,+somerset&sbo=1&uidh=976&pcat=CEN_1860&fh=8&h=17922049&recoff=

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks Sabrina, that is her. A cousin looked for her but obviously not under Betty.

[HarrysMum]

Julie...check your email...I'm out for a little while. Back later..

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks Libby. I have edited above.
I am wondering about the occupation in 1871 of "House Proprietor". Would that mean that she owned her own house and had private means, so that she wouldn't get put in the Workhouse? Has anyone had this written on their census for occupation?

[kiterunner]

Yes, I've seen it quite a few times, Julie. I think it means she owned another house or houses and rented them out.

[tenterfieldjulie]

I'm not sure if I have the right person in 1861 and 1871 now Kate. Libby found a Betty married to a publican Benjamin in 1841 and my Elizabeth was married to a ag lab James who we can't find in 1841. I only found her definitely in 1851 and haven't found her death. Do you think I should remove the entries for 1861 and 1871?

[HarrysMum]

Julie...are you positive the 1851 is your Betty/Elizabeth???

I'd leave the other up there as you have but see if we can sort them. I thought we found that 'other' Mrs Callard as well.

I'll double check.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Hi Lib. On the 1851 Cenus at Elizabeth is with her unmarried children. Ten years after this her son John was sponsored by his brother in law John Thomas Sloman and arrived in Aus 16 May 1861 on the "Nile". John (actually called Jimmy like his father) never married. So I feel Betty either lived on with her unmarried dau Elizabeth or she died. Unfortunately while the Milverton death register is supposed to go up to 1890, it goes from I think Feb 1860 then March 1890. So either a big gap or a mistranscription and only to 1860. The Betsey you found in 1841 married to Benjamin the publican isn't mine. I think Betsey in the Censuses of 1861 and 1871 are the publican's wife, not my ag lab James wife. I don't think my ancestor would have property, but the publican's wife would.

[HarrysMum]

OK...back to the drawing board.............although the drawing board is nowhere near the computer in this house.....lol

[tenterfieldjulie]

Do you have a board for your computer yet Mrs?

[tenterfieldjulie]

At Milverton in Somerset: Note: Some Baptisms Collard
Marriage:
MUSGRAVE Elizabeth to James CALLARD 10 Aug1817 banns Jane Musgrave John Sealy both sojourners
Baptisms:
COLLARD Sarah Musgrave 14 Dec 1817 Parents James Elizabeth labourer (my ancestor who married John Sloman at Nether Stowey)
COLLARD William 16 Feb 1820 James Betty labourer
COLLARD John 08 Apr 1822 James Betty labourer
CALLARD Elizabeth 07 Jun 1824 James Elizabeth labourer
CALLARD Thomas 04 Jun 1827 James Betty labourer
CALLARD Robert 08 Feb 1829 James Betty 16 Jan 1829 labourer
COLLARD Charlotte 01 Jan 1833 James Elizabeth 09 Dec 1832 labourer
Deaths:
09 Feb 1841 CALLARD Charlotte 8 years
05 Aug 1849 CALLARD James 60 years

[ElizabethHerts]

Betty in 1841?


1841 Census
CALLOW, Betty
WELLINGTON, Somersetshire
HO107 piece 951 folio 8/25 page 11
Address: High Street, Milverton
CALLOW, Betty F 50 1791 Somerset Washerwoman
CALLOW, William M 20 1821 Somerset Ag. Lab
CALLOW, John M 15 1826 Somerset Mason
CALLOW, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Somerset
CALLOW, Robert M 12 1829 Somerset

FMP transcribes them as Callow, and the image clearly shows the surname as Callow – the enumerator obviously couldn’t spell their surname.

[ElizabethHerts]

This looks like Sarah Callard/Collard in 1841:

1841 Census
High Street, Milverton
Wellington
HO107 piece 951 folio 8/24 page 9
Address: High Street, Milverton
TREVELYAN, George M 45 1796 Somerset
TREVELYAN, Frances F 30 1811
LUMSDEN, Harry M 5 1836
RIDLER, Sarah F 30 1811 Somerset
COLLARD, Sarah F 20 1821 Somerset
MIDDLETON, Lavinia F 15 1826 Somerset
LUMSDEN, Lydia F 30 1811
LUMSDEN, Harriette F 30 1811

[tenterfieldjulie]

Yippeee Elizabeth you are amazing .. Thank you. I will now have an address, High Street, to visit in Milverton.

[Charlene Buckley]

I am also researching the Musgraves of Baghay Farm, but James and Mary Musgrave.

In 1841 census, James Musgrave, born 1786, Milverton, was with Mary Cozens (I believe this is Mary Musgrave's niece) and ?? Wm Mosle ??

Mary Musgrave is in 1851 and 1861 census with niece and nephew James and Mary (Cozens) Matthews and their children. Also niece, Charlotte Jane Atkins.
Mary Musgrave is a widow at Baghay Farm in 1851.

I sure would like to connect James Musgrave with his family. If you have any information to help me do this, I would appreciate it.

I do see that Betty Musgrave died Sep 2 1859 in Milverton at the age of 80. Is she your Betty?

Regards, Charlene

[tenterfieldjulie]

Nice to hear from you Charlene. My Betty born 1790, Musgrave was her maiden name and her married name was Callard. Unless she reverted to her maiden name, which is possible, it isn't her. I know there was some confusion in Australia as to what was her daughter, Sarah's, maiden name. She was supposedly Sarah Musgrave Sloman, nee Callard, but in one record (off hand think her death cert) she was written as Sarah Sloman nee Musgrave.. Then using a surname as a second name can be confusing ..
If I find anything out about Baghay farm I will let you know. You would think there is some connection with the family working at the same farm, but they might be second or third cousins. Being ag labs they would have been living in farm cottages.
Charlene where did you find the 1859 burial please?

[Charlene Buckley]

Interesting question - I have it as a note on my records beside her name as I'm working to trying and link people together. I also printed off a number of lists a few years ago from the Milverton website.

However, check Sep 1859 Vol 5c, pg 225 on Free BMD. It gives her name and confirms death date, but not her age which I seem to have record of. I will try to find it again for you.

Regards, Charlene

[kiterunner]

The burial is on here, but I agree it is unlikely to be the right Betty as she would have been buried under her married name:
http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/H_m_w/Mil/Bur/1851-1890.html

[tenterfieldjulie]

I found a marriage 18/7/1798 at Milverton of James Musgrave and Betty Bond, so this is quite possibly this is the Betty Musgrave buried 1859 aged 80.
I keep hoping that the gap in the Milverton burial register between Feb 1860 and March 1890 will suddently fill in and I might find her .. I hope when I get to Taunton RO that they might those records.

[tenterfieldjulie]

On FreeBDM I found a death for Betty Collard in March Q 1856 Wellington Somerset 5c 252. I am thinking this could be my ancestor, as I think Milverton is in the Wellington Registration District. Do you think it would be worth buying the cert?

[kiterunner]

Yes, it is the right registration district and I can't find a burial to see the age at death etc, so I would say worth ordering the cert.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks Kate.

[tenterfieldjulie]

1841 Census –High St., Milverton - Betty Callow aged 50 washerwoman
(with William, John, Elizabeth, Robert);
1851 Census – Houndsmoor, Milverton Elizabeth Callard W 61 born Milverton
(with John and Elizabeth);
1861 Census – Houndsmoor, Milverton – Betty Calland W 70 House proprietor born Milverton;
1871 Census – Houndsmoor, Milverton – Betty Callard W 81 born Milverton.

Death registration as: BETTY CALLOW; Born 1789:
Buried 15 October 1871; (age 82); at St Michael's C of E, Milverton, Somerset.