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Sue at the seaside
05-12-10, 23:19
Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Ann Davis

Date and place of birth
Not known
Names of parents
Unknown

Date and place of baptism - if applicable

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
1st April 1804 to Samuel Flowers, Hackney, London

Occupation(s) - if any

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
None found

Date, place and cause of death
Not found
Date and place of burial.
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

Merry
06-12-10, 10:32
Was the last child of Samuel and Ann this one?

St Leonard's Shoreditch

James Flowers bap 6 Jun 1824 son of Samuel Flowers (occ dyer) and Ann. Address Davis' Place

There's a burial for an Ann Flowers of Davis' Place 15th Sept 1825 at St Leonard's Shoreditch (LMA records). She was 38 which is just about old enough.

UPDATE: looks good, as I see Samuel was a labourer of Saunders Gardens for the bap of your ancestor Mary Ann, but a dyer of Saunders Gardens for at least one of the other baps (I looked at James 1813). So the occ and the addresses tie everything together.

Sue at the seaside
07-12-10, 23:42
Oooh, I don't have James, Off for another hunt.

Merry
08-12-10, 15:05
I found:

James 1813 bur 1816

Mary Ann 1816

John 1819

Joseph 1822

James 1824

Sue at the seaside
09-12-10, 22:57
Thanks so much for all that Merry, very useful. I've now been inspired to do more hunting relating to her husband, but unless he ended up in the workhouse I'm stumped. He is going to have to wait 'till it's his turn on here!

Merry
10-12-10, 07:04
Oh, I'd assumed that was him!

Sue at the seaside
10-12-10, 11:50
Oh, I'd assumed that was him!

I think it probably is, but in the census is listed as a labourer but was a silk dyer and is on daughter's marriage cert in 1847 as a Silk dyer.

As I said, think he needs to wait his turn!

Lindsay
10-12-10, 15:32
I think it probably is, but in the census is listed as a labourer but was a silk dyer and is on daughter's marriage cert in 1847 as a Silk dyer.

As I said, think he needs to wait his turn!

Sue, remember the silk industry was declining through the 19th century - a lot of my weavers/dyers in the Shoreditch area became hawkers or labourers about that time.

Merry
10-12-10, 15:48
Which census were you looking at? The person I saw (think it's the same man in 1841 and 1851) was a labourer on one census and a dyer's labourer on the other one. (Don't remember which way round it was now!)

Sue at the seaside
11-12-10, 22:30
Which census were you looking at? The person I saw (think it's the same man in 1841 and 1851) was a labourer on one census and a dyer's labourer on the other one. (Don't remember which way round it was now!)

Merry, If you are looking in on this again.......
I found the likely man in 1841 in workhouse as a labourer, I've been unable to find him in 1851 (I only have access to ancestry) If you can find him in 1851 can you point me in the right direction?

maggie_4_7
12-12-10, 09:19
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=samuel&gsln=flowers&=%2c%2c1%2c+%2c%2c&gsby=1785&gsb2co=3251%2cEngland&gsb2pl=5274%2cLondon&gsdy=&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1%2c+&sbo=0&sbor=&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-b&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=250623&recoff=5+6&db=uki1851&indiv=1

I think this is him.

Sue at the seaside
12-12-10, 09:59
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=samuel&gsln=flowers&=%2c%2c1%2c+%2c%2c&gsby=1785&gsb2co=3251%2cEngland&gsb2pl=5274%2cLondon&gsdy=&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1%2c+&sbo=0&sbor=&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-b&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=250623&recoff=5+6&db=uki1851&indiv=1

I think this is him.

I do too, Thanks so much!

Now, enough of Samuel Flowers on Ann Davis' thread! He'll get his own one day, and just think we won't have so much to do then!

Merry
12-12-10, 12:10
Ah, but I had to find him to make a start on when his wife died! lol

Sue at the seaside
12-12-10, 12:16
Ah, but I had to find him to make a start on when his wife died! lol

Very true! Think I've got his death as well now......

maggie_4_7
12-12-10, 13:37
I saw a couple that might be him one 1852 and one 1862! Probably the earlier one seeing as he was in and out of the workhouse probably wouldn't survive that long after being in and out of there.

Funny enough I have a Flowers in OH's tree Elizabeth Flowers Boyse as far as I've got though is the name and even that I'm yet to confirm.

Sue at the seaside
12-12-10, 13:47
Funny enough I have a Flowers in OH's tree Elizabeth Flowers Boyse as far as I've got though is the name and even that I'm yet to confirm.

An East London one I assume???

maggie_4_7
12-12-10, 13:51
An East London one I assume???

Yep in and around Shoreditch, Bishopsgate, Clerkenwell and Holborn area to be more exact :) she married a William Featherstone still not sure I have the right William though :) I think I do.

Sorry I'm leading you astray from Ann Davis I expect Merry is beavering away though.

Sue at the seaside
12-12-10, 14:54
I saw a couple that might be him one 1852 and one 1862! Probably the earlier one seeing as he was in and out of the workhouse probably wouldn't survive that long after being in and out of there.



I was preferring the one December 1854, Shoreditch. There is a burial for him in St Mary Haggerston, which is the same parish as the workhouse.
There are a fair number of them around aren't there, Can't afford to buy all those certs!!!!

Must get back to Ann