James Saunders (FFFMF)

[borobabs]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
James Saunders

Date and place of birth
??? possibly Wolverhampton Staffs

Names of parents
???

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
???

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Caroline Anon going by daughters baptism in 1818

Occupation(s) - if any
Gilder

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
None
1818 daughter Eliza baptism St Peters Wolverhampton

Date, place and cause of death
??
Date and place of burial.
??
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any
??

[HarrysMum]

There is a 55 year old James Saunders living Newcastle Under Lyme in 1841. He is a brewer (is that a standard occ for Saunders...lol).

His wife is Frances but he could have re-married and he has a daughter aged 13 named Caroline.

Not many similarities.......lol

I'll look again tomorrow.

[HarrysMum]

1851 has a James Saunders....wait for it.......a GILDER. Age 59 at Wolverhampton.

Check your pms. I'm off to bed.....will return in a few hours...lol

[borobabs]

Yes Libby my James is Gilder he was on daughters baptism in 1818 and also on her wedding cert in 1839 ;; cheers babe will go check mail

[borobabs]

I have found this 1841 census which fits in with his occupation and name is transcribed on one of the certs as Sanders what does anyone think ;;but where is his wife unless she dies afer youngest Catherine

James Sanders
Age: 43
b abt 1798
Male

Parish: Wolverhampton
North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
Staffordshire

James Sanders 43
James SandersJunr 11
William Sanders 20
George Sanders 18
Ann Sanders 7
Catherine Sanders 5

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 999; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Wolverhampton; County: Staffordshire; Enumeration District: 15; Folio: 10; Page: 12; Line: 3; GSU roll: 474627

[borobabs]

If this is right it would fit in with one Libby found for me in 1851

[borobabs]

Which was this one ;;

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2019; Folio: 349; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87422-87423.

but thats also Sanders then would need to find out where Ann and Catherine are

[kiterunner]

I'm confused, because earlier on I looked at a James Saunders at Horseley Field on the 1851 census, but his occupation was Carrier's Clerk so I thought he must not be the one that Libby found for you as she said he was a Gilder. But that 1841 family are at Horseley Field?

[kiterunner]

Oops, I was typing at the same time as you!

[borobabs]

Kate I saw that one but theres also that one above ;;;

Pass Im clutching at straws

[kiterunner]

Think I'll have to look at it in the morning, Babs.

[borobabs]

Thats ok Kate thanks and will be confussing with me and Merry looking for same names lol

[kiterunner]

Aha! I thought that the FamilySearch pilot site would treat Saunders and Sanders as close matches, but now I've realised it doesn't always, I've found these baptisms at St Peter Wolverhampton:
William Sanders 26 Dec 1820, parents James and Caroline
George Saunders 9 Jul 1823, parents James and Caroline

But then it gets a bit confusing looking for baptisms for the other children from the 1841 census entry - James jnr about 1829-30, Ann about 1833-4 and Catherine about 1835-6. There are two possible baptisms for James jnr, one with a mother Catherine and the other with a mother Maria, and a possible for Catherine in 1836 with mother Ann.

Then neither of those 1851 families quite fits with the 1841 family!

There is a Caroline Sanders burial at Wolverhampton 20 Feb 1825 but the pilot site doesn't give her age. I would think that's likely to be your Caroline, though.

[borobabs]

OH yes would think that is mother Caroline about then as she doesnt show in that 1841 census ;;;you would think name like that would be easy not this dam hard ;;thanks for them Kate ;;

[kiterunner]

Nudging this one up now as there were 2 dup threads! This one seems to have the most info so will delete the other one.

*confused*

[kiterunner]

Here is a link to the thread about James's wife Caroline:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=15417&highlight=caroline

[kiterunner]

So, looking back through this thread and the one about Caroline, we think this is James in 1851 perhaps with his third wife:

1851: 17 St James Sq, Wolverhampton, Staffs

James Saunders head m 57 carver and guilder journeyman b Dudley, Worcs
Sarah Saunders wife m 48 b Olbury, Staffs
James Saunders son unm 19 b Wolverhampton

Class: HO107; Piece: 2019; Folio: 349; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87422-87423.

His second wife was Ann Maria who he married in 1827 and she died in 1842. I don't think we found the marriage to Sarah yet, will have another look.

[borobabs]

Didnt find marriage to Sara no only what info that was passed on to me

[kiterunner]

I can't find it, sorry.

[borobabs]

Npe neither could I Kate and I went through pages and pages