Samuel porritt (fffmf)

[ElizabethHerts]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Samuel Porritt

Date and place of birth
unknown

Names of parents
unknown

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
unknown

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any

1) Esther Hindle (my 3xgt grandmother)
27 Feb 1816 Church, Lancashire

2)
Bride's Name: Alice Ellison
Marriage Date: 07 Mar 1831 The Cathedral Manchester

Occupation(s) - if any
Millwright (from my great-great-grandmother's marriage certificate and also from baptisms of later children)
Engineer (from my great-great-grandmother's baptism

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!)

Church Kirk, Lancashire in 1818:

Name: Mary Porrit
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 14 Jun 1818
Baptism/Christening Place: Church Kirk, Lancaster, England
Father's Name: Samuel Porrit
Mother's Name: Esther
Source Film Number: 93695
Reference Number: 98
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Another daughter, Ann, was christened the same day.

Manchester (children of 2nd marriage baptised there)


Children:

Mary
Ann
both baptised at Church, Lancashire Mother Esther

Elizabeth 1831
Margaret 1833
Joseph 1835
Samuel 1837
Alice 1837
all baptised in Manchester, mother Alice

Date, place and cause of death
unknown - before August 1837 when baby Alice Porritt died aged 8 weeks

Baby Samuel died on 13 May 1838, aged 10 months:
Son of Samuel Porritt Deceased Millwright


Date and place of burial.
unknown

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Unknown

Memorial inscription - if any
Unknown

Link to daughter, Mary Porritt:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2828&highlight=Mary+Porritt

[ElizabethHerts]

When baby Alice died on 2nd August 1837 (I have the death certificate), aged 8 weeks old, from Diarrhoea, the informant was Alice Porritt Mother Widow

Therefore Samuel Porritt had died before August 1837.

[ElizabethHerts]

I wonder if he came from Yorkshire. I keep looking at this:

Name: Samuel Porritt
Event Date: 30 Jul 1785
Event Type: Baptism
Parish: Birstall, St Peter
Father's name: Joseph Porritt

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-g&gsln=Porritt&msbdy=1785&msbpn__ftp=Yorkshire&msfng0=Joseph&msfns0=Porritt&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=xt1&msbdp=10&cp=11&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=10011305&recoff=10+37+38&db=WYorkPre1813&indiv=1&ml_rpos=6

My Samuel's daughter, Mary, my 2x-great-grandmother, named her two sons Joseph and Samuel.

[ElizabethHerts]

Also, the two sons from Samuel Porritt's marriage to Alice were named Joseph and Samuel respectively.

[kiterunner]

The place of abode on the 1818 baptism is Tinker - maybe Tinker Brook in Oswaldtwistle? I've been looking for Samuel's burial but no luck.

[ElizabethHerts]

Kate, thanks for looking.

I have Tinker, thanks.

I too wish I could find his burial.
There is a very short time frame. The details for the two dead children show this:

Samuel chr. 30 Jul 1837 Cathedral Manchester
died 13 May 1838 9 Caroline Street Ancoats Decline
Son of Samuel Porritt Deceased Millwright
Informant: Alice Porritt
Alice chr. 30 Jul 1837 Cathedral Manchester
died 2 Aug 1837 Caroline Street Ancoats Diarrhoea
Informant: Alice Porritt Mother Widow

There is no indication that Samuel was dead when the children were christened, but he was definitely dead by 2nd August 1837.

[ElizabethHerts]

Porritt can have many variations, so perhaps I need to give all those a go, but I always tick the "Variants" box.

[ElizabethHerts]

I think Samuel moved about for his work, so that is why I wondered about the Yorkshire connection.

[ElizabethHerts]

I can't find any trace of Alice Porritt the widow of Samuel, nor of Elizabeth, Margaret and Joseph Porritt, her children. They seemed to have disappeared in a puff of smoke!

[kiterunner]

I can't find any trace of Alice Porritt the widow of Samuel, nor of Elizabeth, Margaret and Joseph Porritt, her children. They seemed to have disappeared in a puff of smoke!

Lancs OPC has the marriage of a Margaret Porritt to a Samuel Wilson 20 Jun 1852 at St John, Preston. She is age 20, weaver, spinster, abode Park Road, father late Samuel Porritt, wheel wright. They have a daughter Alice baptised 6 Mar 1853 at the same church, abode Edmund St, father's occupation piecer.

[kiterunner]

Margaret is down as Parrott on the 1851 census but not with her family, and her birthplace is given as Preston:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/LANHO107_2267_2267-0581/13650849?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dmarg*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dpar *t%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1833%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gs kw%3dlan*%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F 0005DFB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26d bOnly%3d_F0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000 5E11%257c_F0005E11_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005906%257c_F00 05906_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbO nly%3d_F0005DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00063 01%257c_F0006301_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0006867%257c_F0006 867_x%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks for that, Kate. She's probably not the right one if she was born in Preston.

I've e-mailed Bury Archives as they have lots on a Porritt family, although I can't see any connection. My Mary Porritt married Charles Alexander at St Mary's, Bury, in 1850.

http://archives.bury.gov.uk/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Browse2.tcl&dsqItem=RHS%2F9%2F1%2F9&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqKey=RefNo

[ElizabethHerts]

I never found Mary Porritt (my 2x-great-grandmother) in the 1841 Census.
Perhaps it's time I looked again.

[kiterunner]

This could be the same Margaret in 1871 and her birthplace is now Manchester:
1871 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/LANRG10_4210_4212-0024/25154563?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26ms T%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dalice%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwilson%26g sln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1853%26msbpn__ftp%3dPreston%2 52c%2bLancashire%252c%2bEngland%26msbpn%3d84957%26 msbpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5271%257c84957%257c0%257c%26msfng0%3dsamuel%26m smng0%3dmargaret%26cpxt%3d0%26catBucket%3drstp%26u idh%3dvm5%26cp%3d11%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d2 5154563%26db%3duki1871%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord)

52 Egan St, Preston
Joseph Tipping Head Mar 35 Plasterer Lancashire Goosnargh
Elizabeth Do Wife Do 35 Do Hindley
John Do Son 10 Scholar Do Wigan
James Do Do 7 Do Do Preston
Margaret Wilson Lodger Widow 38 Cotton Weaver Do Manchester
Alice Do Daur Unm 18 Do Do Do Preston
Catherine Do " 9 Scholar Gibralter

Catherine's birthplace would explain why I can't find the Wilsons in 1861!

Alice Wilson, age 19, weaver, daughter of late Samuel Wilson, spinner, marries a William Sumner 5 Oct 1872 in Preston, according to Lancashire OPC, so it looks like the right family.

[kiterunner]

In 1881 Catherine is a lodger with a family called Plumb:
1881 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/LANRG11_4227_4232-0575/11838889?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1881%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dcat*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO %26msbdy%3d1862%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbpn__ftp%3dGibra ltar%26msbpn%3d5096%26msbpn_PInfo%3d3-%257c0%257c1652381%257c0%257c5096%257c0%257c0%257c 0%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c%26msbpn_x%3dXO%26msbpn__f tp_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%257c_F00027B9_x%26db Only%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003 03A%257c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_8300 4006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26uidh %3dvm5%26msbdp%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

and these are the Sumners:
1881 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/LANRG11_4222_4226-0836/11820447?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1881%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dms_r_db %26gsfn%3dalice%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dsum*r%26gsl n_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1853%26msbdy_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_ F00027B9%257c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c _F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F000303A_x%2 6dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0 0032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5%26 mssng0%3dwil*%26mssng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

There is a Margaret Wilson, 48, widow, born Manchester, in prison in Clerkenwell, London, but her occupation is domestic servant (cook):
1881 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/LNDRG11_344_349-0932/14729833?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duk i1881%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dmarg*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwil*s*n%26 gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1833%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gskw%3d lan*%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%257c_F00027 B9_x%252c_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x%252c_F000303A%2 57c_F000303A_x%252c_83004006%257c_83004006_x%252c_ F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5% 26pcat%3d35%26fh%3d81%26h%3d14729833%26recoff%3d%2 6fsk%3dBEDczMwIgAAdlAFvamE-61-%26bsk%3d%26pgoff%3d%26ml_rpos%3d82&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord#?imageId=LNDRG11_344_349-0933)

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Kate. I will have to check this out later.

[kiterunner]

Ancestry's suggestion for Elizabeth born 1831 is a marriage to James Southworth. Lancs BMD has this as James Southworth / Elizabeth Porrit in 1850, Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended. This looks like the couple in 1851 and Elizabeth is the right age (19) but her birthplace is given as Walton le Dale:
1851 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/LANHO107_2267_2267-0317/13646439?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dja*s%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3ds*th *w*th%26gsln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F000 5DFB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26dbOn ly%3d_F0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005E1 1%257c_F0005E11_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005906%257c_F00059 06_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly %3d_F0005DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0006301% 257c_F0006301_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0006867%257c_F0006867 _x%26uidh%3dvm5%26mssng0%3deli*%26mssng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

The birthplace on that census was dittoed and she is listed in amongst James' family so the birthplace on the 1861 census is more likely to be right and it is Manchester:
1861 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/LANRG9_3135_3138-0875/9656794?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1861%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dja*s%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3ds*th *w*th%26gsln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F000 5DFB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26dbOn ly%3d_F0007B87%257c_F0007B87_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007B8 8%257c_F0007B88_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000597C%257c_F00059 7C_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly %3d_F0005DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007989% 257c_F0007989_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26mssng0%3deli*%26mss ng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
274 North Rd, Preston, Lancashire (Three Tuns)
James Southworth Head Mar 31 Inn Keeper Lancashire Walton le Dale
Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 30 House Keeper Do Manchester
Ralph Do Son 8 Scholar Do Preston
John Do Son 6 Do Do Do

Ralph's birth on Lancs BMD shows MMN as Porritt to confirm this is the right couple.

In 1871 James and Elizabeth also have a daughter Margaret, 9, and sons Samuel, 7, and Peter, 4.

1871 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/LANRG10_4212_4215-0009/25167852?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1871%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROO T_CATEGORY%26new%3d1%26gsfn%3dralp*%26gsln%3ds*th* w*th%26rank%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26sbo%3d0%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Lancs BMD has an Alice Southworth, MMN Porritt, born 1856 Preston, and an Alice Southworth death in 1858 in Preston, age 2. So I would reckon this is the right Elizabeth as it means she named a daughter after her mother.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Kate. I was at my daughter's when you posted this and we now have our grandson until the weekend, so I haven't been able to look at this properly.

[ElizabethHerts]

I can't find any trace of Alice Porritt the widow of Samuel, nor of Elizabeth, Margaret and Joseph Porritt, her children. They seemed to have disappeared in a puff of smoke!

I have a Porritt match in my DNA matches and have made contact. The person is descended from Alice and Samuel and the Southworths.

I have been researching more and have found

First name(s) William
Last name Brown
Sex Male
Marital status Married
Marriage year 1839
Marriage date 15 Jun 1839
Marriage place Glossop, Glossop, Derbyshire, England
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Brown
Spouse's first name(s) Alice
Spouse's last name Porritt
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's marital status Widowed
Spouse's father's first name(s) Ralf
Spouse's father's last name Ellison
Place Glossop
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1910

This has found two further sons for Alice - James and Richard.
Also the family moved to Preston after living at Waterside, Derbyshire, for a while. So the family were close together.

I have found so much more, but not what happened to Ann Porritt and Joseph Parrott. I still haven't found a burial for Samuel Porritt senior or his baptism.

[kiterunner]

Lancashire OPC has a marriage 10 Mar 1856 at Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle: John Clayton, full age, labourer, widower, abode Church Bridge, son of John Clayton, deceased, weaver, and Ann Porritt, full age, spinster, abode Church Bridge, daughter of Samuel Porritt, deceased, weaver. Witnesses John Gaskell and Mary Rothwell.

This could be them in 1861:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/LANRG9_3104_3106-0443/9497679?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
Church Lane, Church, Lancashire
John Clayton Head Mar 56 Lab in print works Livsey Lancashire
Ann Do Wife Do 45 Stitcher at print works Church Do
James Davis Boarder Un 25 House painter Liverpool Do
Sarah Anderson Do Wid 32 Stitcher at print works Stepney(?) Middlesex.

Edit - found the marriage entry on ancestry and Samuel's occupation is actually Mechanic, so it fits with your Porritt family:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2576/42561_339105__0003-00091?pid=542834880&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx7191&_phstart=successSource

[kiterunner]

1871 census for the Claytons:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7619/LANRG10_4183_4186-0240?pid=25008078&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx7192&_phstart=successSource

[ElizabethHerts]

Ooh, thanks Kate. I have been concentrating on Alice for my new contact, so I hadn't looked any further.

[ElizabethHerts]

Ann was in her late 30s when she married and her sister Mary (my 2x-great-grandmother) had already died.

[ElizabethHerts]

My memory must have gone because Ann's records have already been saved to the Ancestry tree! My daughter might have put them on there.