Anyone spare some time to help find Sarah?

[GenieDi]

I don't have any subs atm.

I have a marriage for Sarah Anne Gaden and Alfred Thompson.

Married May 23rd 1903 at The Parish Church in the Parish of St Thomas, Birmingham.

Residence 57 Irving St.

This is the sister of my gt.grandfather. They and another sister were orphaned very young and this sister I haven't been able to track down.

She had an illegitimate daughter in the Shipston on Stour Workhouse in 1899, she was "given" to another family to bring up and then the next paperwork I have is the marriage cert. Her baby's descendant I am in contact with, he has also had no luck tracking Sarah after her marriage.

[Margaret in Burton]

Looking on the 1911, do you know what year either of them were born? Sarah Anne and Alfred I mean.

[GenieDi]

Hi Marg, she was born 1874 in Burmington, Registration district Shipston on Stour .

I haven't a clue on Alfred.

sorry, misread he was three years younger on marriage, so around 1877, no idea of place though.

[Margaret in Burton]

Do you not have Alfred's age from the marriage?

[GenieDi]

Hold on, i think she must have lied.

1903 says she was 26, she was born 1874 so would have been coming up for 29.

says he is 23 in 1903.

sorry to mislead only just realised that.

[Margaret in Burton]

What was Alfred's occupation?

[GenieDi]

Just says labourer, address in 1903 was Irving St.

[Margaret in Burton]

I've looked up that address in 1911, seems to be a lot of immigrants there. Jews, Irish etc.

[Margaret in Burton]

Can't see any signs of them in 1911 Di.

[GenieDi]

Thanks for trying Marg, it is a mystery for sure :(

[GenieDi]

Her mother died when she was 4 months, father at about three years. I had a heck of a job tracing the other sister. They were both in an orphange in Bristol, my gt.granddad in the workhouse, at 5...

[kiterunner]

Any Thompson witnesses on the marriage cert?

[kiterunner]

Oh, and what are the details of Alfred's father on the marriage cert?

[GenieDi]

Hi, Kite.

His father is a miner, called Joseph

witnesses are a George and Sarah Sketchley.

[kiterunner]

Ooh, there is a possible marriage between George Sketchley and Sarah Ellen Thompson Dec 1898 Atherstone (Warwickshire). I'll see if I can find any more about them...

[GenieDi]

ooh, sounds promising, TY

[kiterunner]

Yes, they did marry each other because this is them in 1901:
Atherstone, Warwickshire - Long Street, Lagoes Bldgs
Mary Sketchley Head Wid 58 Charwoman Warwick Atherstone
Lily Do GDaur 7 Do Do
George Do Son M 21 Coal Miner (Filler ) Do Do
Sarah E Do Wife 19 Do Do
George A Do Son 1 Do Do

I'm hoping we can find Sarah in 1891 and she will be Alfred's sister. Then we should have a birthplace for Alfred to use to look for him in 1911.

[GenieDi]

Brilliant, TY. The father being a miner made me think a bit too.

[kiterunner]

Bother, Sarah is a visitor in 1891, with Charles Thompson 69 born Wilnecote Warwickshire and his wife Eliza 66 born Baddesley Warwickshire. But hopefully they will turn out to be her grandparents and we can find Alfred somewhere among their descendants...

[Merry]

It sounds as if you don't have the 1901, but I guess you do! Just in case.....

1901 there's Sarah A Gayden aged 26 a cook (domestic), b Burmington, Worcestershire, in the household of people called Simkins in Knowle Warwickshire.

In case you want to hang on to the ref, it's RG13; Piece: 2926; Folio: 32; Page: 15

[kiterunner]

Right, in 1871 Charles and Eliza have a son Joseph age 18, miner's lab, born Polesworth Warwickshire. Then in 1891 Joseph is in Atherstone, Warwickshire, with wife Mary and son Alfred age 11 and daughter Charlotte 6, both born Atherstone. Only fly in the ointment is Joseph seems to be a hatter! He's 38 and born Polesworth so I'm sure he must be the right person, though.

[GenieDi]

Thanks Merry. I probably haven't got it, I got my Geden box out for the tog and thought this was worth looking at again :)

[GenieDi]

kite, I spotted that one on family search just now and dithered with the hatter thing! :)

[GenieDi]

Could you go from being a miner to a hatter, bearing in mind on the marriage it says he is a miner?

Unless that is a mistake on the census.

[kiterunner]

Then in 1901 Alfred Thompson is at Wood Terrace, Polesworth, and Joseph has gone back to being a miner, phew:
Joseph Thompson Head M 48 Coal Miner (Hewer) Polesworth Warwickshire
Mary Do Wife M 47 Atherstone Do
Alfred Do Son S 21 Colliery Coal Man Below Ground (?) Do Do

So at least we know who we're looking for in 1911 now.

[GenieDi]

Brilliant...

Must have been a mistake on that 1891 census

[kiterunner]

In 1911 Alfred is in Nuneaton age 32 but he doesn't seem to have a Sarah with him. I can't look at the actual entry though as I don't have a sub.

[GenieDi]

oh fab, thanks Kite. that's something to work from.

[GenieDi]

I've just found a Sarah Ann on the 1911 index aged 37 in Nuneaton too.

[GenieDi]

Marg had a look at them for me, Alfred married to a Minnie and the one I found born in Northampton :(

[kiterunner]

How long do Alfred and Minnie say they have been married?

[kiterunner]

There is a death for a Sarah Ann Thompson age 26 in Oct-Dec 1903 Atherstone. I know the age is a little bit out for your Sarah but it could be her, couldn't it?

Edit - rereading page 1 of this thread, she told Alfred she was 26 in 1903 so it does seem likely to be her.

[GenieDi]

Sorry, kite. Don't know, will ask Marg to check again.

I started looking for a death too :( Seems a possibility or they split? I looked on FreeBMD for another marriage for Alfred, no joy so far.

[Mary from Italy]

Practically everyone from Atherstone that I've come across was a hatter - it was the main local industry, I think.

There are some nice non-con records for Atherstone online, but it doesn't look as though your people are listed:

http://www.hunimex.net/warwick/bmd/Atherstone_ind_baptisms%201796-1837.html

[GenieDi]

Ty, Mary. I used to have that site in my favourites on my old big pc, haven't had that since moving here two years ago...

[GenieDi]

Alfred and Minnie had been married 4 years in 1911.

[GenieDi]

Scrub that, just seen the image:

5 years and he is a coal miner!

[GenieDi]

I've just e mailed who would be Sarah's gt.grandson, strangely he had e mailed me with entries from the burial registers of Sarah's brother, Amos and his wife from the city of London Cemetery he recently visited. Bizarre or what!!

Can't wait to hear back from him, he works in the Congo!

[GenieDi]

I've just had a reply and he has ordered the death certificate to see if this is definitely Sarah, so fingers crossed it's been cracked.

[GenieDi]

Whoa....

Just had an email from Howard - Sarah's Gt.Grandson

The death Kite found was her.

She died from vomiting before childbirth, exhaustion.

A sad end to a quite sad life. Her mother died when she was a few months, father at around 2-3, childhood spent in an orphanage, an illegitimate daughter, married for a few months, then died.

Thank you Kite for all your help.

[Mary from Italy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperemesis_gravidarum

[GenieDi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partuition

This is the word on the death cert Mary. I only googled it after I posted the result on here.

It said vomiting before partuition, exhaustion. Would that have meant she was heavily pregnant?

If so a double tragedy. Howard is going to look at the records when he is home to see if there is anything about it as she died in the workhouse at Atherston.

[Mary from Italy]

Parturition is the usual spelling, and it means childbirth.

Hyperemesis gravidarum (excessive vomiting during pregnancy) is relatively common even nowadays, and can be serious, but it's usually treatable now, I believe.