Census hunting if anyone fancies it!

[Sue at the seaside]

I've been trying for ages to find the early censuses for a family, perhaps if someone has a spare while they could have a look for me.

1, James Hanmore, according to 1871 is born c1841 in Ightham Kent. the only census I've found him on, He died 1872. Have been unable to find anything else on his early life. People have looked for him before with no luck, so don't worry too much about him.

2, Elizabeth Higgs, born c 1843 Yalding Kent. Earliest census I've found her on in 1871, when she is living as the wife of James Hanmore (above) she is complete after that. First child born 1861.

3, George and Jane Higgs, parents of Elizabeth above. George born c 1801 in Windsor, Berkshire and Elizabeth born c1825 Mitcham Surrey. again I have 1871 by which time they were living in Kent, which is logical as their daughter was born there, but nothing before.

Any help gratefully received

Sue

[ElizabethHerts]

Re. James Hanmore, there is one who pops up on the 1851 and 1861 censuses who was born in Leigh, which is near Sevenoaks.

However, he was born c. 1845.

[Sue at the seaside]

Re. James Hanmore, there is one who pops up on the 1851 and 1861 censuses who was born in Leigh, which is near Sevenoaks.

However, he was born c. 1845.

and he is still around in 1871 living in Reigate!

Sue

[HarrysMum]

I've got 5 minutes before I walk out the door and my English geography is shot.....lol

Tell me what county he was born in and in 1871 and I'll have a look.

Not been bad lately...lol

Sorry...saw Kent for birth.

[Sue at the seaside]

I've got 5 minutes before I walk out the door and my English geography is shot.....lol

Tell me what county he was born in and in 1871 and I'll have a look.


Sorry...saw Kent for birth.

James is in Kent in 71, and when he died in 72

Sue

[HarrysMum]

Sorry can't find anything.

[Sue at the seaside]

Sorry can't find anything.

Thanks for looking, I don't hold out any hope for James Hanmore, I have rather given up on him, sure he is from a dodgy family, but the others, I have high hopes for them!

[Sabrina]

There's an Elizabeth Hicks, b 1847 Yalding on the 1851 Census staying with a William Hicks [transcribed as Hinks] in Yalding, said to be his grand daughter:

William Hicks, Hd, widr, 59 [transcribed 50], Ag Lab
Charles Butcher [transcribed Burdress], son in law, mar 25
Elizabeth Butcher [ditto], daughter, mar, 24
Elizabeth Hicks, grand daughter, mar[sic], 4
James Hicks, grand son, mar [sic], 2

Ref: HO107; Piece: 1616; Folio: 77; Page: 7
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=elizabeth&_81004010=1846&msbpn=84755&msbpn_PInfo=8-|1652381|3257|3251|5270|84755|&msbpn__ftp=Yalding,+Kent,+England&sbo=0&uidh=976&pcat=CEN_1850&h=1542773&recoff=1&db=uki1851&indiv=1

[Sabrina]

If you think that she is the right one, she then appears in 1861 in Yalding:

Charles Butchers, Head, mar, 35, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Butchers, wife, mar, 34
Elizabeth Butchers, dau, 14
James Butchers, son, 12, scholar
Next household:
William Hicks, head, widr, 70, Ag Lab
John Hicks, son, un 35, Carter

Ref: RG9; Piece: 497; Folio: 70; Page: 28
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=elizabeth&_81004010=1846&msbpn=84755&msbpn_PInfo=8-|1652381|3257|3251|5270|84755|&msbpn__ftp=Yalding,+Kent,+England&sbo=0&uidh=976&pcat=CEN_1860&h=7188586&recoff=1&db=uki1861&indiv=1

[Sabrina]

There is a George and Jane Hitch on the 1851 census, Stepney, living next door to a Jacob Hicks. Do you think they are the right family?

George Hitch, Head, Mar, 50, messenger, London
Jane Hitch, Wife, mar, 49, London
Christopher Hitch, Son, Un, 22
John Hitch, son, Un, 16
Harriet Hitch, dau, Un, 14
Henrietta Hitch, dau, Un, 12
Georgenna Hitch, dau, un, 6

Ref: HO107; Piece: 1552; Folio: 459; Page: 27
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=george&_81004010=1801&msbpn__ftp=windsor&sbo=0&uidh=976&mssng0=jane&pcat=CEN_1850&h=506004&recoff=1+93&db=uki1851&indiv=1

[Sue at the seaside]

Sabrina, thanks for looking into this for me.

I don't think that family in Stepney are the ones, no evidence of the right places of birth and Jane's DOB is way off.

I had already thought of the other 1851 in Yalding many years ago, but her parents are wrong, I've got no problem with the name change by 1861, but the wrong parents! she ended up living next door to her parents, and her mother was with her "husband" when he died. so they were very much "on the scene" Also, William Hicks, grandfather, is the same age as George Hicks, father.

[Sue at the seaside]

I'm resurrecting this thread and rather than just reposting, I've kept all the replies so people don't go hunting for stuff that was already found.



3, George and Jane Higgs, parents of Elizabeth above. George born c 1801 in Windsor, Berkshire and Elizabeth born c1825 Mitcham Surrey. again I have 1871 by which time they were living in Kent, which is logical as their daughter was born there, but nothing before.

Sue

I have found a census record for 1851 and would love to know if anyone thinks they are the same couple,

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=KENHO107_1602_1602-0230&fn=George&ln=Heggs&st=r&ssrc=pt_t819491

They are in Mitcham, but George's birthplace is also listed as Mitcham! and Jane's age is wrong, too old, perhaps she just took to lying about her age when she moved to Kent!

You can tell I'm clutching at straws!

[kiterunner]

Well, they have mother in law Sarah Harman with them and on their marriage (12 Nov 1843 Newington), Jane's father's name is given as Henry Harman, and George's father as Thomas Higgs. And there is a baptism for Jane Harman in Mitcham in 1807, parents Henry and Sarah. Also a baptism for George Higgs in Mitcham in 1806, parents Thomas and Sarah. So if it's your couple, George's birthplace on the 1871 is wrong. Also shouldn't Elizabeth be with them in 1851? I take it you haven't found a birth registration for her?

[kiterunner]

There is a widow Jane Higgs born Mitcham living at 30 Smiths Place, Mitcham, on the 1871 census. Ancestry says she is 43 but it looks more like 63 to me on the image; what do you think? She is an almswoman, which seems unlikely if she was 43, though I don't know much about it. If she is 63 then she is likely to be that Jane from the 1851, sorry!

[Sue at the seaside]

There is a widow Jane Higgs born Mitcham living at 30 Smiths Place, Mitcham, on the 1871 census. If she is 63 then she is likely to be that Jane from the 1851, sorry!

Thanks for that Kate, that 1871 does seem to clinch it, shame, I needed it to be them to put Sarah Harman on TOGGG this week !

I have never managed to find daughter Elizabeth's birth record, as I've said in the past a "dodgy" family I think! which is another reason this family didn't really fit, they had people baptised and got married!

Thanks