Thoughts on this please

[Asa]

I'm trying to find a baptism for Sarah Elizabeth Hay(e)s, daughter of John Jacob Hayes, described as a deceased fruiterer in 1854. I'm fairly confident I have her parents as witnesses to her 1829 marriage to George Horn, as John Jacob Hays and Sarah Hays and that they married at Shoreditch in 1807 as Jacob John Hayes and Sarah Cockee.

I only have Sarah Elizabeth on one census as Elizabeth Williams, wife of William, in St George's in the East, Middlesex. She appears as Elizabeth Sarah on her daughter's baptism. Both are recorded as 48 and born in St George's. Can't find a baptism.

Messing around on the familysearch pilot site, I came across these three baptisms, all at St Alfege Greenwich and all children of John Jacob and Sarah Hayes - 26 Jul 1808 Mary Ann Hayes, 25 Feb 1811 John Frederick Hayes and 26 Oct 1812 John William Hayes.

Then I noticed there's a baptism at St Alfege 3 Feb 1814 for a Sarah Elizabeth Haas, daughter of Jacob and Sarah. Looking at Ancestry, he's a pensioner in the Royal Hospital.

Might I have found her?

[Merry]

Erm, when was she 48 then?

[Asa]

Dur. Sorry Merry, that would be 1861:)

[Merry]

Just checking lol!

26 Jul 1808 Mary Ann Hayes, 25 Feb 1811 John Frederick Hayes and 26 Oct 1812 John William Hayes

Have you found out what happened to any of these? It could help.

[Asa]

I've been searching but so far not come up with anything :s

[Asa]

I'm going offline so not ignoring any thoughts :)

[kiterunner]

Ideally we would look at the images of the baptisms for those other children to see what the address and father's occupation are, but I can't find them.

[Merry]

She appears as Elizabeth Sarah on her daughter's baptism.

Is the dau Elizabeth Ann? Did she survive?

[Asa]

Yes that's the daughter - she married in 1851. There is a possible for her in 1841 but if it's her, she's not with her parents and she's in service in 1851.

I thought the same about the baptisms but they don't appear to be there, as you say Another thought I had was to look at the Greenwich Pensioners records at Kew, although I have no idea what they would contain. In 1841, there's a Jacob Hay aged 70 in the Greenwich Hospital for Seamen, born in Foreign Parts who is a possible.

[Nell]

Sounds plausible, Asa, but I'm sure you'd like to have some certainty! I'll bear the Hay/Hayes name in mind when I'm rummaging in London records, just in case.

[Asa]

Hello Nell:D Thank you! Yes, it does sound plausible but I'd like something to support it a bit more