Found John Fernyhough in 1911 but where is his wife? *Update post 32

[Margaret in Burton]

My grandad's sister was born Edith Mary Newey in Burton on Trent, Staffordshire on 18th Nov 1881.

On 14th Sep 1904 she married John Fernyhough at St Paul's church, Burton on Trent.

1911 he is living at 59 Shobnall St, Burton on Trent, his sister and nephew are there as well.

RG14PN16805 RG78PN1042 RD365 SD4 ED18 SN200

I can't find Edith anywhere in 1911.

John died in 1926 in Burton and Edith remarried the same year to Frederick George Doe in Wandsworth district. I don't have the cert.

All I know about him is that he was known as George and he was a monumental mason and they lived in Fordingbridge, Hampshire.

There is a George Doe in 1911 in Bradford. Born in Bury St Edmunds and living with wife Eleanor and family. He is a monumental mason but that could be a red herring.

[Merry]

Name: Edith M Doe
Death Registration Month/Year: 1968 Q1
Age at death (estimated): 85
Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 54

Not sure which death is Fred Geo (if any!)

Do you know if Edith had any chidlren?

[Merry]

Is this her daughter?

Births Dec 1905
Fernyhough Edith Helena Burton 6b 385

and maybe this one?

Births Mar 1907
Fernyhough Kathleen Ellen Burton 6b 408


Deaths Jun 1907
FERNYHOUGH Kathleen Ellen 0 Burton 6b 242

[Margaret in Burton]

Yes, I have that death Merry, sorry should have said.

According to the 1911 for John Fernyhough, it's crossed out, it says 2 children both dead. Family members told me she didn't have any children.

I just can't find Edith in 1911.

I'm wondering if she'd left John. He died June qtr 1926 in Burton and she remarried Sept qtr same year. Just a thought that she was living with George Fred or whatever his name was and was waiting for hubby to die before they got married.

Still doesn't explain where she is in 1911.

[Margaret in Burton]

Is this her daughter?

Births Dec 1905
Fernyhough Edith Helena Burton 6b 385

and maybe this one?

Births Mar 1907
Fernyhough Kathleen Ellen Burton 6b 408


Deaths Jun 1907
FERNYHOUGH Kathleen Ellen 0 Burton 6b 242

Quite possibly, her mothers name was Helena.

[Margaret in Burton]

I wonder if they were baptised, I'll have to check at the library next time I'm in town. Going to be St Paul's or St Margaret's for where they were living

[Merry]

Hmmmm, I can't find a death for dau Edith H yet. I wondered if she had died out of the area that might tell us where Edith had gone (if she went anywhere)

[Margaret in Burton]

I found some photos after my mum died, very old ones. There was one of a baby but family members didn't know who it was. My uncle said he thought it was a baby of Auntie Edie's that had died. The rest of the family said she never had any.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/Unknownbaby-possNewey.jpg

[Margaret in Burton]

mistranscribed

Edith Helena Ferntrough

Dec qtr 1905
6b 237
age 0
Burton

[Merry]

Aaaahhhh.... That's a lovely looking baby. How sad that virtually no one remembered her. (of course now we can't be sure which baby she is unless you can find baps that show that Kathleen Ellen belongs to someone else.)

Makes it much harder to find Edith Mary in 1911 now, doesn't it?

[Margaret in Burton]

Doing my head in looking for her in 1911.

Even if I get her marriage cert to Mr Doe it won't tell me anything really other than his age, won't tell me where she was 15 years previously. :D

[Margaret in Burton]

Aaaahhhh.... That's a lovely looking baby. How sad that virtually no one remembered her. (of course now we can't be sure which baby she is unless you can find baps that show that Kathleen Ellen belongs to someone else.)

Makes it much harder to find Edith Mary in 1911 now, doesn't it?

John Fernyhough said 2 children and both had died in 1911.

[Merry]

Yes, good point, so unless one lived only a matter of hours or something, you may not find out who the photo is of. How old do you think she is? I thought maybe three months?

The monumental mason from 1911 was born in Bury St Edmonds, so this may be him (there's no Fred Geo)

Births Jun 1877
DOE George Frederick Bury St.E. 4a 562

Marriages Dec 1897
Doe George Frederick Newmarket 3b 1193
SHEPHERD Eleanor Newmarket 3b 1193

Possible death?

Deaths Mar 1913
Doe Eleanor L 36 Doncaster 9c 1132

There's another Eleanor L Doe dying in Sheffield in Q3 1911 so I guess that's their dau as she is 13, same age as on census.

Oooh, the dau was born before the marriage (I was looking for mum's birth!):

Births Sep 1897
Shepherd Eleanor Louise Newmarket 3b 514

[Margaret in Burton]

The photo is more likely to be Kathleen as she lived until the next quarter and Edith died the same quarter as her birth.

Yes, that George Fred could be him but as I have no dates at all for him, who knows.

[Merry]

I used to think that about births and deaths of children, but I have one who lived to four months and was reg for birth and death in the same Q! I suppose the same anomaly could occur if a baby was born and registered quickly just before the end of the Q and then died on the turn of the Q.

Anything is possible!

[Merry]

Yes, that George Fred could be him but as I have no dates at all for him, who knows.


You could get the 1926 marriage cert :D! His father was William a stonemason.

[Margaret in Burton]

You could get the 1926 marriage cert :D! His father was William a stonemason.

I might one day, there are Wills that are more pressing at the moment.:D

[samesizedfeet]

John died in 1926 in Burton and Edith remarried the same year to Frederick George Doe in Wandsworth district. I don't have the cert.

We may have been over this before but I did a tree for a friend that contained Does from that area. I can't remember which of the friends trees it was though so it will take me a while to work out if there was a Frederick George

[Margaret in Burton]

Thanks Zoe

[Anstey Nomad]

Marg - after all our coincidences, please tell me you have no connection with Isaac Ferneyhough who arrived in Western Australia in 1868 on the last convict boat...

Alternatively, if you do I can put you in touch with his family - his umpteen times great grandson is one of my FB friends.

AN

[Margaret in Burton]

Not researching the Fernyhough name AN. It's his wife who is my relative.

[Anstey Nomad]

Phew!

AN

[Margaret in Burton]

Phew!

AN

pmsl :D:D:D

[Margaret in Burton]

Burton library has baptisms for the appropriate churches for 1905-1907 so I'm going to take a look at them next time I'm in town, possibly tomorrow. At least it may add those babies names to my tree if nothing else. It WONT find Edith in 1911 though. :mad:

[Margaret in Burton]

I've just given in to temptation and ordered her marriage cert to Mr Doe as well. Estimated despatch date the 29th.

[Margaret in Burton]

I've just found John Fernyhough on The National Probate Calendar.

John Fernyhough of 59 Shobnall Street, Burton on Trent died 27 May 1926 at The Burton Union Infirmary. Administration - London - 18 June 1926 to Edith Mary Fernyhough , widow. Effects £717 - 11s - 2d.

She remarried with indecent haste, the next quarter. The marriage cert when it arrives will say how quickly. I would think she was quite well off with over £700.

What would that be worth in todays money?

Still haven't found her in 1911 though.

[Margaret in Burton]

Right, will someone tell me that my mind is working overtime please?

1: Edith remarried very soon after her husband died.

2: She had his money.

3: She isn't living with him on the 1911 census.

4: Could this her in 1911 using an assumed name? Her brother lived in Gordon Street, Burton so she could have chosen the name from that. RG14PN254 RG78PN8 RD3 SD2 ED28 SN219

Living at 5 Raleigh Rd, West Kensington as Edith Mary Gordon. The similarities are: Married 6 years, 2 children both no longer living. Born, Burton on Trent and aged 29.
It says "husband away"

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/1911Census-RG14-00-2-54-00254_0437_03-1.jpg

Have I just been looking for her for too long and clutching at straws?

[Merry]

I used FreeBMD to look for surname Gordon marrying first names Edith M in 1903-1906 and once I'd eliminated those of the wrong sex or where the middle name wasn't Mary, I was left with:

Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BEYNON Edith Mary Neath 11a 1023
Gordon William Neath 11a 1023
Jenkins David John Neath 11a 1023
Mollison Cecilia Neath 11a 1023

So not nearby and only five years married and they may not have married each other anyway. There's no Edith Mary Beynon b in the right area to fit with the census record you found either, so I'd say it's a very strong possibility that is her you have found!!! :D

[Margaret in Burton]

Oooh thanks Merry.

I reckon she left John, came back and claimed his money, very quickly by the dates between his death and admin. Then married her lover Mr Doe with indecent haste.

She was my grandmother's sister in law and story has it that when she died in 1968 my grandmother refused to acknowledge her relationship, said she was nothing to do with them. She was like that, disowned her own son for many years because he lived with a married woman for many years until her husband died and they could marry. Grandad died in 1934.

[JayG]

Marg have you got anything to compare her/their hand writing, obviously not the surname since it's different lol

[Margaret in Burton]

Jay

You've read my mind, came to me whilst I was eating my tea. :D

1911 census has a signature. If I go back to the library and check the parish register for her marriage to John Fernyhough at St Paul's her signature will be on that.

*hopes she didn't sign with initials*

[Margaret in Burton]

I've been to the library to compare Edith's signature on her marriage record in 1904 to the 1911 census. I think it's the same handwriting. Especially the M in Mary.

What do you think?


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/edithmary-1.jpg

That's the 1911 census


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/002-2-1-1.jpg

That's a photo of the microfiche from the parish register.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/001-1.jpg

[kiterunner]

Looks the same to me.

[Merry]

.......and me! :D

[Margaret in Burton]

Looks the same to me.

Oooh thanks Kate. I was hoping someone would agree with me.

I wonder why she is living as Edith Mary Gordon in 1911? Perhaps she ran away from hubby and was determined she wouldn't be found. She must have been in touch with someone from home as she found out hubby had died pretty quickly and inherited his money.

[Margaret in Burton]

Yay, Merry agrees to.:D:D:D

[maggie_4_7]

Yes its the same, it's actually very good/neat writing.

[Margaret in Burton]

Thanks Maggie for agreeing.

My daughter and OH can't understand why I'm so excited about it. I just got a blank look from daughter as in "what the f*** she going on about"

The eyes glazed over as well. :D

[JayG]

Great result!

[Margaret in Burton]

I still can't believe I've found her Jay. Her marriage cert to Frederick George Doe is due to be despatched tomorrow. Don't think that will tell me much other than info about him but it will tidy up loose ends.

I must tell my uncle, he remembers her but said she didn't have any children. He wasn't born until 1930 so I don't suppose it was talked about.