Can you find these two Marias on the census?

[WendyPusey]

I have two Marias I would like to find on the census. I don't want to buy certificates if they are not mine.

Maria Lisseyman died March qtr 1845 East Stonehouse.

Maria Lisamon married George Grainger Dec qtr 1852 East Stonehouse (husband found on marriage CD by Devon FHS member)

Can anyone find Maria who died on the 1841? I realise she may be a baby born after the census!

Can anyone find Maria who married George Grainger on the 1841 and 1851 census please?

My Maria Lisseyman born 1836 is with her mother in Ledbury Workhouse in 1841, and with her parents in 1851 in East Stonehouse, so the one who died isn't her.

[kiterunner]

I've spent a while looking, but come up with nothing!

[Merry]

I had previously thought this might be the one who married, but at the time I didn't know who her husband was, so couldn't check a later census for them as a couple:

Class: HO107; Piece: 1880; Folio: 137; Page: 67; GSU roll: 221029.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=DEVHO107_1880_1881-0272&fn=Maria&ln=Lesman&st=r&ssrc=&pid=6726995

[WendyPusey]

Thanks Merry but that is my Maria. I think she would be rather too young to marry in 1852 wouldn't she? She married my GG Grandfather in 1857.

[Merry]

Oh, OK! lol I didn't think marrying at 17 would be a problem!

I can't find any others, and there are no obvious Grainger entries in East Stonehouse that look connected.

[WendyPusey]

Maybe she did marry him then. Can't find a death for him though. Oh well I'll just keep looking.

[Merry]

Seems unlikely though, doesn't it? Esp as yours presumably married in the same church so wouldn't get away with calling herself a spinster if she wasn't.

Having said that, I wonder who all these entries belong to?!! The same quarter as that Maria Lisamon marriage in 1852 is one for Elizabeth L (also spelled Lisamon), so maybe a sister?

[WendyPusey]

Yes Elizabeth is her sister.

Maria married in Ireland, so she wasn't known, but it says spinster on the marriage certificate, not widow!

I'm hoping this one isn't mine.

[Phoenix]

So Maria's father is an ex sailor, born in Herefordshire.

If his daughter married a sailor too, she could have been deserted/widowed young or moved round the country (Portsmouth, Chatham etc)

When did her parents marry? Is it possible that she had an elder sister with an illegitimate baby? The name doesn't seem common in Devon.

[WendyPusey]

Maria's father was a Royal Marine, as was her husband, My GG Grandfather. They lived in Ireland from the time they married until they died.

No the name is not common in Devon, that is why I want to find out who these two are.

I cannot find when her parents married as her mother, another Maria, was born in Ireland too.

[Merry]

Yes Elizabeth is her sister.



Oh, sister of your Maria, but married in the same Q as the 'other' Maria? I suppose the vicar may have spelled the name the same way both times by chance?

[WendyPusey]

Looks as if I am going to have to get these certificates. Will have to save the pennies.

[Phoenix]

There was a Mary Lissaman b Ledbury in 1838, whose death I couldn't spot. Is she a sister?

[Phoenix]

Oh btw, I have a rellie who marries a sailor (Edward Jones!) and is on the 1841 as Jones, but marries in 1845 under her maiden name, with her half brother as a witness. I've always assumed that Edward simply sailed out of her life. No idea whether he deserted her or died at sea.

The marriage certificate might give you a clue to Maria's husband's fate.

[WendyPusey]

Oh, sister of your Maria, but married in the same Q as the 'other' Maria? I suppose the vicar may have spelled the name the same way both times by chance?


Before you mentioned this Merry I hadn't been able to find Elizabeth on the 1851/61 census.

However I have just found her in 1851 in Stoke Dameral, Devon as a servant, and in 1861 she is married (Hughes) and living in George St, East Stonehouse, Devon. There is a marriage for an Elizabeth Lisseyman 1856 Stoke Dameral and the partner is John Wiliam Hughes. As he is not on the 1861 census I think he must have been a seaman and away at sea.

So I don't think the marriage in 1852 is the same Elizabeth.

[Merry]

So I don't think the marriage in 1852 is the same Elizabeth.


So, for what it's worth, that Elizabeth (the 1852 marriage one) is also someone who is mysterious in 1851!!