Elizabeth Sawyer

[maggie_4_7]

My OH’s mother's father's mother's mother.

Name:
Elizabeth Sawyer

Date and place of birth:
Abt 1826 St George’s Hanover Square/Marylebone/Paddington (take your pick), London, England

Names of parents:
Not known

Date and place of baptism:
Not known

Details of each of his or her marriages:
Marriage to James Benge probably 1851 (first child was born 1852) but obviously could be a lot later.

Occupation(s):
Charwoman
Washerwoman

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK):

Not found - 1841 Census
Not found - 1851 Census

9 Hanover Court, St Gles without Cripplegate, London, England - 1861 Census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&h=5433675&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t17926036_p579380056_kpidz0q3d579380056z0q 26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

6 Crown Court, St Luke, Finsbury, London, England - 1871 Census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&h=29025603&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t17926036_p579380056_kpidz0q3d579380056z0q 26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

2 Angel Place, St Giles without Cripplegate, London, England - 1881 Census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&h=14843561&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t17926036_p579380056_kpidz0q3d579380056z0q 26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

11 White Street, St Giles without Cripplegate, London, England - 1891 Census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1891&h=9376678&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t17926036_p579380056_kpidz0q3d579380056z0q 26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

Date, place and cause of death:
Probably Oct-Dec 1896 City of London Vol 1c Page 5 not confirmed with death certificate.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=freebmddeath&h=2494968&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t17926036_p579380056_kpidz0q3d579380056z0q 26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid


Date and place of burial / cremation:
Not known

Details of will / administration of their estate:
Not known

Memorial inscription:
Not known

[maggie_4_7]

Added Elizabeth's surname of Sawyer.

[Margaret in Burton]

You need to ask admin to alter your thread title and put Sawyer instead of ?

Be better for when it's picked up by Google.

[maggie_4_7]

Okay will do.

[kiterunner]

Changed for you, Maggie.

[ElizabethHerts]

Possible baptism:

Name: Elizabeth Sawyer
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Jan 1826
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1825
Father's Name: Richard Sawyer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 580912
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


another possible

Name: Elizabeth Sawyer
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Sep 1827
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Robert Sawyer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 580912
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

[ElizabethHerts]

Maggie, this could be Elizabeth in 1841.


1841
SAWYER, Richd M 40 1801
SAWYER, Elizth F 30 1811 Middlesex
SAWYER, Elizth F 15 1826 Middlesex
SAWYER, Caroline F 14 1827 Middlesex
SAWYER, Richd M 7 1834 Middlesex
SAWYER, Julia F 9 1832 Middlesex
SAWYER, Walter M 5 1836 Middlesex
SAWYER, Clarissa F 1 1840 Middlesex

RG number: HO107 Piece: 680 Book/Folio: 5/20 Page: 32

Address:
East Street, St Marylebone County:
Middlesex

[maggie_4_7]

Thanks for that.

ElizabethHerts

I think I have seen one that census and they are a likely family - thing is none of her children were called any of those names! Not that thats conclusive it's that elusive marriage cert of her and James I need to get both her father's name and profession and James too. James is a mystery too really.

Interestingly on the other thread Harry's Mum found a couple of people called Benge and Sawyer in Kent.I do think the Benge's came from Kent originally. But both Elizabeth and James put London on their places of birth - Elizabeth Paddington/Marylebone even St George Hanover Square (which I think is a red herring) and James consistently Whitechapel/Stepney.

[Merry]

Have you found any likely Elizabeths in 1851? I'm thinking she may have been married to someone else at that juncture, hence no marriage to James. :(

[ElizabethHerts]

Just to add to the above:


Caroline Sawyer
Birth: 19 FEB 1827
Christening: 16 MAR 1827 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Julia Prestone Sawyer
Birth: 23 FEB 1830
Christening: 16 MAY 1830
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England
Death: 18 MAR 1832

Julia Sawyer
Birth: 03 AUG 1832
Christening: 02 SEP 1832
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Richard Adolphus Sawyer
birth 19 SEP 1834
Christening: 03 MAY 1835
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Walter Augustus Sawyer
Birth: 01 SEP 1836
Christening: 15 OCT 1837
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Clarissa Emma Sawyer
birth 01 MAY 1840
Christening: 27 SEP 1840
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

1851 Census
HARACE, Elizh Head Widow F 39 1812 Strain Bonnet Maker St James Middlesex
SANGER, Julia Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Strain Bonnet Maker Marylebone
Middlesex
SANGER, Adolphus Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Marylebone Middlesex
SANGER, Walter Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Errand Boy Marylebone Middlesex
SANGER, Theara Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar Marylebone Middlesex
SANGER, Frederk Son M 4 1847 At Home Marylebone Middlesex

SAINT PANCRAS, Middlesex
HO107 piece 1494 folio 130 page 38
Address:
14, Little Charlotte Street, Saint Pancras, Marylebone

This is transcribed by FMP - Ancestry might be different.
The surname of the children is definitely SAWYER>
Why is Elizabeth using a different surname? I can't find a marriage to a Mr Harker/Harkin for her. (It looks like Harker/Harkin on the image)


Where did Frederick come from??

[maggie_4_7]

Have you found any likely Elizabeths in 1851? I'm thinking she may have been married to someone else at that juncture, hence no marriage to James. :(

I did consider that - I did find a strange census last night I'll post a clip in a minute.

Probably nothing but who knows.

[maggie_4_7]

Just to add to the above:


Caroline Sawyer
Birth: 19 FEB 1827
Christening: 16 MAR 1827 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Julia Prestone Sawyer
Birth: 23 FEB 1830
Christening: 16 MAY 1830
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England
Death: 18 MAR 1832

Julia Sawyer
Birth: 03 AUG 1832
Christening: 02 SEP 1832
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Richard Adolphus Sawyer
birth 19 SEP 1834
Christening: 03 MAY 1835
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Walter Augustus Sawyer
Birth: 01 SEP 1836
Christening: 15 OCT 1837
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

Clarissa Emma Sawyer
birth 01 MAY 1840
Christening: 27 SEP 1840
Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

1851 Census
HARACE, Elizh Head Widow F 39 1812 Strain Bonnet Maker St James Middlesex
SANGER, Julia Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Strain Bonnet Maker Marylebone
Middlesex
SANGER, Adolphus Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Marylebone Middlesex
SANGER, Walter Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Errand Boy Marylebone Middlesex
SANGER, Theara Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar Marylebone Middlesex
SANGER, Frederk Son M 4 1847 At Home Marylebone Middlesex

SAINT PANCRAS, Middlesex
HO107 piece 1494 folio 130 page 38
Address:
14, Little Charlotte Street, Saint Pancras, Marylebone

This is transcribed by FMP - Ancestry might be different.
The surname of the children is definitely SAWYER>
Why is Elizabeth using a different surname? I can't find a marriage to a Mr Harker/Harkin for her. (It looks like Harker/Harkin on the image)


Where did Frederick come from??

Thank you.

I think this is a possible family connection that's for sure.

[maggie_4_7]

I did consider that - I did find a strange census last night I'll post a clip in a minute.

Probably nothing but who knows.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=Eliza&gsln=Sawyer&=&f1=Middlesex&f2=&f4=&f18=Female&f12__n=&rg_81004011__date=1829&rs_81004011__date=0&f27=England&f14=london&f15=&_8000C002=&_80008002=Eliza&_80018002=&f7=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1851&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=0&h=2037986&recoff=1+13+14+35

Weird it supports the information that ElizabethHerts found on an Elizabeth Sawyer born to Richard and Elizabeth with a son RIchard on the 1841 census but is it my Elizabeth?

Could that be Benge but what is Charles' name is it Benge or Bene and is his name Charles? Can't read any of it to be honest.

Another red herring I suspect Elizabeth's age is 25 on that census!

Edit to say: from all the documentation I have Elizabeth was born in 1826'ish so not so unlikely I think I thought it was the 1841 census when I posted that reference to her age - tsk slaps my own wrists for not paying attention!

[ElizabethHerts]

Maggie, could you put the reference up for the link on the last post (i.e. the Census ref. no.) as I don't have Ancestry and can't view it.

I think I know the one you mean because I found a BENE with a SAWYER, if I remember correctly.

[maggie_4_7]

Class: HO107; Piece: 1466; Folio: 7; Page: 7; GSU roll: 87787.

I don't think it's her by the way but I could be wrong. It could be her but her husband is a printer and born somewhere totally different! It just caught my eye Bene and Sawyer. What do you think?

[ElizabethHerts]

Yes, that's the one I saw. It's very confusing and the writing is terrible, which doesn't help.