todays task...Ann Phillips ?

[garstonite]

Good morning..
Thomas Merrick married Ann Phillips 15th April in 1823 in Norton Canon, Herefordshire....so I have Thomas Merricks parents and yob /pob Norton Canon....how can I find Ann Phillips dob /pob....I would presume in the Norton Canon area...on my tree I have her as b 1791, Norton Canon...this would make her 31 / 32 at her marriage
Thomas was born 1798 Norton Canon...children as follows

Ann and Harriet Merrick.... twins b 1824
John and Ellen ...twins again 1826
Edward 1828
Thomas 1830
William 1834 ........

So I am trying to confirm the details I have....would it be possible to find this family in the 1841 census....
does anyone think maybe Ann Phillips may have been previously married ??
if so, there may be stepchildren of Thomas in tyhe census....I am curious to know...thank you ...allan:)

[Merry]

And what was your source for Ann's pob??!!!

The 1851 census has her b at Pembridge, Herefordshire.

I will post the family shortly if no one else does, but have to put roasties in the oven before they turn to a mash!

[kiterunner]

1851:
Thomas Merrick Head Mar 53 Farmer... Hereford Norton Canon
Ann Do Wife Mar 60 Do Pembridge
Ann Do Daur U 27 Farmer's Daur Do Norton Canon
Ellen Maria Do Do U 25 Do Do Do Do
Thomas Do Son U 21 Do Son Do Do
William Do Son U 17 Do Do Do Do
+ servants

[kiterunner]

And in 1841, at Hyatt Sarnesfield, Norton Canon:
Thomas Merrick 41 Farmer Y
Ann Do 45 Y
Ann Do 16 Y
Ellen Maria Do 14 Y
Edwd William Do 7 Y
+ servants

[Merry]

1851 Hyatt Sarnesfield, Norton Canon, Herefordshire:

Thomas Merrick head m 53 farmer of 260 acres emp 6 labourers b Herefordshire Norton Canon
Ann Merrick wife m 60 b Herefordshire Pembridge
Ann Merrick dau unm 27 farmer's daughter b Norton Canon
Ellen Maria Merrick dau unm 25 farmer's daughter b Norton Canon
Thomas Merrick son unm 21 (?) farmer's son b Norton Canon
William Merrick son unm 17 farmer's son b Norton Canon
4 servants who I don't have time for!

Yes, I guess there's a fair chance she wasn't a spinster.

[kiterunner]

I would say your best bet is to get a look at the parish register marriage entry as that should say whether she was a spinster or a widow.

[kiterunner]

Ah, this may be where Allan got the birthplace from - 1861 census:
Moore Village, Bodenham, Herefordshire
Ann Merrick Head Widow 70 Farming 100 Acres Hereford Norton Cannon
Maria Do Daur Un 30 Do Do
Thomas Do Son Un 28 General Manager Do Do
William Do Son Un 25 Do Do
+ servants

There must be some wills associated with this family, I would think.

[kiterunner]

And 1871 census:
Lower Moor Farm, Bodenham
Ann Merrick Head Widow 81 Farmer 91 a one man / boy Hereford Norton Cannon
Maria Merrick Daur Unm 44 Do Do
Thomas Merrick Son Unm 40 Employed Son Do Do
William Merrick Grandson Unm 16 Do Do
+ servants

[kiterunner]

Hmmm.... interesting baptism on FamilySearch Record Search:
Ann Merrick Phillips baptised 1823 Norton Canon, Herefordshire, mother Ann Phillips.

[garstonite]

Thank you girls....I knew I had seen Norton Canon birth somewhere....so ...she was born Pembridge ....wonder what happened to Harriet and John ?.....I have this terrible habit of filling in my tree but NOT putting the source down....I will have a look for Ann Phillips b 1791 Pembridge and I suppose by the 1841 census that Harriet aged 16 could have left home and John would be 14 and working...this is a huge family with farms all over this area....Edward b 1828 was my 4 x g grandfather and he had a 100+acre farm and servants in Ocle Pychard when my 3 x g grandmother was born in 1852....he was only 22 in the 1851 census and appeared to be rather rich.....allan:)

[garstonite]

Hmmm.... interesting baptism on FamilySearch Record Search:
Ann Merrick Phillips baptised 1823 Norton Canon, Herefordshire, mother Ann Phillips.

OOOH Kiterunner.....so, do you think this might be our Ann and she wasn`t a twin to Harriet after all ?.....HAS to be our Ann doesn`t it ?.....allan:confused:

[kiterunner]

Found Harriet and John in 1861:
Moore Village, Bodenham
Joseph Haruss(??? have to check this name) Head Widower 50 Farmer 60 Acres Hereford Bodenham
Jhon Merrick Visitor Un 36 Tailor Master Do Norton Cannon
Harriette Do Do Un 38 Do Do

Are you sure about Harriet and Ann jr being twins? In which case, did Ann Merrick Phillips baptised 1823 die as a baby, or was Harriet also born before the parents' marriage?

[kiterunner]

Ah, Joseph's surname is Harris - found him in 1851 at Moor, Bodenham, but he is unmarried on that one and has a sister called Harriet about the same age as your Harriet. :confused:

Mary Harris Head Wid 66(?) Farmer employing 3 men Lincoln Parton
Joseph Harris Son U 43 Hereford Bodenham
Thomas Harris Son U 38 Do Do
Harriett Harris Daur U 29 Do Do

I would think there must be a family connection between the Merricks / Phillipses and the Harrises.

[kiterunner]

Got to have dinner in a minute, but in case this is any help, the Harrises in 1841:
The Moor, Bodenham
William Harris 70 Y
Mary Do 56 N
Joseph Do 30 Y
Mary Do 28 Y
Thomas Do 26 Y
Harriet Do 20 Y

[garstonite]

Now that`s opened a can of worms...I only have 1 Phillips,which is Ann in my tree and NO Harris family ?...from what you have found maybe Ann had the twins prior to her marriage to Thomas Merrick...so....were Thomas and Ann both single ? or was she previously wed ? ....if neither of them were married , why did they not marry before the twins were born - they went on to have 5 more children after Ann / Harriet....so why marry AFTER the birth of Ann b 1823 ?
am I on the wrong track here or could Ann Phillips have been NEE Harris ?and Harriet and John are with their Uncle Joseph (Anns brother ) in 1861 ?....allan:confused:

[kiterunner]

I was wondering that, Allan, though the Harrises were born in Bodenham and Ann never says she was born there.

[kiterunner]

Looking at Mary's age, she's too young to be Ann's mother, isn't she? But William was quite a bit older than Mary, so it could be that Ann was his daughter by a previous wife?

[garstonite]

Thanks Kiterunner...I will delve into this more...the villages are very close together in this area,Just checking on Mapquest UK....Pembridge to Norton Canon is 10 miles , so not that near....lol...allan:);)