Isabella Webster

[ElizabethHerts]

For my daughter's OH's side of the tree:

Can anyone find a birth entry (on Ancestry) for
ISABELLA WEBSTER c. 1858 Deptford/Greenwich

or can anyone find her on the 1861 and 1871 Censuses before her marriage to PETER FAUX/FUCHS.

This is their marriage:
Groom's Name: Peter Faux
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Isabella Webster
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 18 Jun 1871
Marriage Place: Saint John The Baptist,Shoreditch,London,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04037-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 590846
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

[kiterunner]

You would need to look at her marriage certificate to see her father's name before looking for her on previous censuses and looking for her birth. It just so happens that their marriage cert is on ancestry in the LMA records and her father is James Webster, sawyer. Isabella is full age, spinster.

[kiterunner]

Looking at your dates, she can't have been born 1858 if she was full age in 1871!

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, KiteRunner - the census information for this family is very unreliable!

[ElizabethHerts]

Sorry - on review her dob should be circa 1848.

[Phoenix]

Birthplace is wrong, as it's ditto for Aldgate, but this has possibilities:

1861 Census
WEBSTER, Isabella
EAST LONDON, London, Middlesex
RG09 piece 210 folio 35 page 21

[Phoenix]

This looks like the same girl:

1851 Census
WEBSTER, Isabel
STEPNEY, Middlesex
HO107 piece 1551 folio 19 page 30

Her father is James, an Engineer.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Phoenix - we've been out all day so only just seen this. (We went to Cliveden.)

I'll look up the references later this evening when I've sorted myself out!

[Phoenix]

Out of curiosity, is she on any censuses AFTER her marriage? There are lots of Peter Fuchs in London, all bakers so far as I can tell, but I can't spot a Peter & Isabella on fmp.

[ElizabethHerts]

Phoenix, they are transcribed as FRISK in 1891 and are in Pancras.

RG number: RG12 Piece: 119 Folio: 153 Page: 25

[ElizabethHerts]

1901:
Still in Pancras
RG number:
RG13 Piece: 136 Folio: 129 Page: 10

Peter died in 1904.

[ElizabethHerts]

I think this is Isabella in 1911 - they started to use the surname FOX.
She was a monthly nurse on one census, so she is probably looking after mum and baby.

1911 Census
FOX, Isabella
ST PANCRAS, London
Reference RG14PN654 RG78PN23 RD9 SD1 ED3 SN318

[Phoenix]

Don't you just love it when they just say born London?! Or, as in the 1911, no details whatsoever, though I reckon you probably have found the right person.

If her birth is recorded, this is the nearest there is in any of the London areas:

Births Jun 1846

Webster Isabella Bethnal Green 2 85

[ElizabethHerts]

Phoenix, thanks - that is worth investigating.

Here is Isabella's son Peter John Fox in 1911. They had changed their name by now.
The family is descended from Rose Fox.
FOX, Peter John Head Married
18 years M 39 1872 Journeyman Baker Holborn
FOX, Ellen Wifes F 36 1875 Camden Town
FOX, Isabel Daughter F 17 1894 Errand Girl St Pancras
FOX, Peter John Son M 15 1896 Milk Assistant Islington
FOX, Amelia Daughter F 14 1897 School Camden Town
FOX, Victor Son M 11 1900 School St Pancras
FOX, William Son M 9 1902 School St Pancras
FOX, Rose Daughter F 7 1904 School St Pancras
FOX, Harry Son M 5 1906 School St Pancras
FOX, Lena Daughter F 1 (15 MONTHS) 1910 School St Pancras

RG number: RG14 Piece: 689 Reference: RG14PN689 RG78PN24 RD9 SD2 ED6 SN484

Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
South St Pancras Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
St Pancras
47 Warren Street

There was a very rude transcription on Ancestry which has now been changed after it was pointed out - F**K.
Perhaps the family were fed up of people saying and writing it incorrectly!