1861 census please.

[Olde Crone]

I need to check something I did years ago, before I had access to any census!

James Holden born 1813 Darwen Lancs,

in 1861 he should be a paper dealer married to Alice (age unknown) and living in Manchester. There are probably no children.

Thankyou in advance.

OC

[kiterunner]

Hmm, there are a few James Holdens born Darwen or Over Darwen around the right time, but none with an Alice and none living in Manchester (on ancestry).

[kiterunner]

Ah, found him - in Broughton, Salford:
Rose Villa
James Holden Head Widower Paper Merchant Over Darwen
Mary Stansfield Servant Un 21 Housekeeper Black Dyke Lane

[Olde Crone]

Ah, thankyou Kate!

You are right, there are quite a few, lol! This one has a brother in law called James Holden, same age, also a paper dealer......but bro in law had children still at home in 1861.

Thankyou again.

OC

[Phoenix]

RG09 piece 2909 folio 54 page 3

Head, widower, paper merchant.

[Phoenix]

Living at Rose Villa, Broughton? Salford.

[Phoenix]

Mary Stonefield, servant aged 21 as housekeeper.

[Phoenix]

And there's nothing like missing umpteern previous posts:o

[Merry]

When did he marry Alice?


?????????

Deaths Mar 1852
Holden Alice Salford 8d 54


Deaths Jun 1858
Holden Alice Salford 8d 18

[Olde Crone]

They married in 1833. They were cousins - she was Alice Holden.

James Holden had a sister, Rachel Holden, who married James Green Holden, a paper dealer, who was also a cousin but not immediately related to Alice Holden.

Neither couple had any children, but James Green Holden left a suspiciously large sum of money to two young women, whose mother is parading as Mrs Holden, widow, on a census. These two young women were not registered as Holden though.

I have a contact who is convinced she is descended from James and Alice, but has no certs (neither do I).

OC

[Olde Crone]

Oh, paddy paddy paddy! Scuse me while I throw myself round the forum!

My contact showed me her research. Fortunately, the children of her James and Alice had a couple of unusual names and I was quickly able to identify the mother's maiden name - thankyou Lancsbmd - and thence the marriage, which took place in a far more suitable area than MY James and Alice.

She's just messaged back saying "But the marriage record definitely says James Holden to Alice Holden" - YES, but it's the wrong marriage for your couple!!!!! Your James Holden didn't marry Alice Holden! Your James was always a farmer, mine never was a farmer. Your James is living at one address in 1861, mine is living at another!

*Deep breaths. Be nice. Be nice.*

OC

[Uncle John]

You're just too picky by far.