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Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Possibly Mrs Hamilton. She was the mother of John Claude Hamilton b April 1895 in Cork City, Ireland. Unfortunately, JC Hamilton may be an assumed name, in which case his mother would be Mrs something-else!!
Date and place of birth
Unknown
Names of parents
Uknown
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Unknown
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Possibly married Mr Hamilton, a Scot.
Occupation(s) - if any
Unknown
Military service - if any
Probably none!
Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
Cork City in 1917
Date, place and cause of death
died after 1917
Date and place of burial / cremation.
Unknown
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Unknown
Memorial inscription - if any
Unknown
Merry - I'll just see if I can find my crystal ball !!!! :d
Margaret in Burton
04-06-10, 09:02
Merry - I'll just see if I can find my crystal ball !!!! :d
Merry owns the only crystal ball on here. If she can't see them then what chance do the rest of us have. :D:D
If she can't see them then what chance do the rest of us have.
I agree! :d
LOL *puts on gipsy fortune teller outfit*
We have a three inch thick pile of letters written by JC Hamilton circa 1916-18 to his girlfriend who he later married. As far as I know there is only one letter mentioning his parents (where he slags them off, says he will never have contact with them in any shape or form ever again etc etc), but as it's probably 10 years since I've looked at the letters, I think they might be worth another look!
Mary from Italy
04-06-10, 20:28
Er, Merry, have you looked at the familysearch pilot site recently?
Name: John Claud Cole Hamilton
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1879
Birthplace: Meath, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Arthur Henry Cole Hamilton
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Harriet Elizabeth Tisdall Cole Hamilton
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02391-7
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 256028
Reference Number: v 2-2 p 900
Collection: null
It's not Cork, but the name's an unusual one.
Mary from Italy
04-06-10, 20:39
Oh, probably not the same family - those Cole-Hamiltons are on the Peerage site, and the son was Commander John Claud Cole-Hamilton (b. 24 March 1879, d. 23 May 1951), who married Evelyn Wolston.
I guess you'd already found that and the details don't match, which is why you think it's an assumed name?
Mary from Italy
04-06-10, 20:42
I suppose you've checked out this one too?
John Hamilton
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 29 JUN 1879 Cork, Cork, Ireland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: James Hamilton
Mother: Catherine Sullivan Hamilton
I had seen that first one, Mary - not sure about the second. I don't think he would have passed for 24 (when he married) if he was actually 41 or so, unfortunately.
He actually never used the Claud bit of his name - that only appears in the places other people were giving his details - his daughter's birth cert and his death cert. When he married he just said 'John'. However, his wife was definitely not the type to go about making things up or getting above herself or whatever, so if she registered an event and gave his name as John Claud then that was because she believed that was his name. I always imagined his father was going to turn out to be Claud Hamilton and that was why John dropped that bit of his name (as they seem to have disowned each other).
I only read two of his letters this afternoon. The next one is 18 pages! They are all a bit depressing. He seems to have a very 'glass is half empty' sort of character - and very difficult to read handwriting, even if it looks very need from a distance!
Mary from Italy
04-06-10, 21:36
Oh, sorry - for some reason I'd put down 1879 as his birthdate instead of 1895 (* slaps self *).
Oh, sorry - for some reason I'd put down 1879 as his birthdate instead of 1895 (* slaps self *).
LOL!!
I would like to know why, whe people ask for help on here, if they ask about someone called Samuel I always look up Joseph instead? (or the other way round) It's not as if the names are similar! I do the same with George and Thomas. :o
Margaret in Burton
05-06-10, 11:39
LOL!!
I would like to know why, whe people ask for help on here, if they ask about someone called Samuel I always look up Joseph instead? (or the other way round) It's not as if the names are similar! I do the same with George and Thomas. :o
*must remember the next time I ask Merry to help to double check what name she is actually typing.*:D
Lots of adjustment needed on this thread!
Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Possibly Mrs Hamilton. She was the mother of John Claude Hamilton b April 1895 in Cork City, Ireland. Unfortunately, JC Hamilton may be an assumed name, in which case his mother would be Mrs something-else!!
Erm, never Mrs Hamilton! Margaret Scannell aka Maggie
Date and place of birth
Unknown
27 Sept 1869 (something) Lane, Cork.
Names of parents
Unknown
Bartholomew Scannell and Margaret nee Holmes
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Unknown
26 Sept 1869 (the day before she was born!) Cork & Ross RC Parish Church, St Finbarr's South, Cork
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Possibly married Mr Hamilton, a Scot.
Actually married David Hutton, a Scott from Dundee (where Mr Hamilton was said to originate!) 30 July 1891 at 89 West Road, St Mary's Dundee
Divorces
1 June 1895 Dundee
Occupation(s) - if any
Unknown
Ah-hem..... Lady of the night :o
Military service - if any
Probably none!
Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
Cork City in 1917
1869-1891 - Cork City
July-Oct 1891 - 186 Ferry Road, Dundee (home of her parents-in-law)
Nov 1891-early 1895 - Elizabeth Place, 129 Hawkhill, Dundee
1895 onwards Cork City
Possibly of 96 Magazine Road, Cork at some point
Date, place and cause of death
died after 1917
Died after 1919 (last sighting in court/prison)
Date and place of burial / cremation.
Unknown
Still unknown
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Unknown
Memorial inscription - if any
Unknown
ElizabethHerts
02-11-14, 19:17
Discovering this branch of your family certainly took us down many new avenues, Merry!
lol Yes Elizabeth!
It really bothers me that there's apparently no death reg for her and JCH visited Cork about the time she seems to have vanished! (I've probably been watching too much Downton Abbey!)
Seem to recall that Maggie also worked in Dublin and that we found her in rural Ireland (Co Carlow?) in one census.
I so loved chasing Maggie. In fact, I had another look at her prison and court records on Ancestry Ireland yesterday on FMP Ireland during the free access weekend, as I was getting nowhere with my Irish lot.
Too law-abiding, clearly. :D
You're quite right Shona, but I didn't have access to my tree when II put the above together and, whilst I could remember much of it and looked up a couple of bits again I didn't review the census.
1901: Peacock Lane Penitentiary, Cork
1911: Kernanstown, Carlow
I just need to know where she vanished to after 1919 and that her son didn't commit murder and bury her under the patio on his last visit 'home', as the two events seem to coincide. :o
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